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[Request] New Scylla Model - Altejago - 02-18-2012

As Rogue leader,

and an incompetent destroyer pilot

I say make it look better with textures, but in light of existing Rogue models I think it could do with a slight power increase or perhaps making the 4th heavy slot fire forwards.

Everything else is large and powerful but slow. Hyena is large and decent enough power core for what it is but not agile, Greyhound is barely agile and good enough core, Werewolf is a light gunship but handles poorly, can mount crap loads of guns and handle it, Barghest.... guys, I don't need to explain how heavy this girl hits. But get a fighter or even another bomber on her case and she buys the farm through it's lack of agility. The RA-4 is smaller on the grand scheme of things referring to gunboats and gunships, but has good enough power core and handles sluggish. So to make our only capital ship weaker than most others in her class by limiting forward firing capabilities and it's pig handling, I think takes it out of the Rogue line of things: Big, Ugly, hard hitting and crap handling.

We are Rogues, all shoot and crap at dancing.

[Request] New Scylla Model - AeternusDoleo - 02-18-2012

' Wrote:Oh come on Art, you know the Supposed types of the capships have no bearing in this mod, with the Bretonian DESTROYER being one of the heaviest cruisers, the Liberty Siege CRUISER being a light, the Liberty DREADNAUGHT being a light battleship, ect ect.

In other news, I see no problem with the current scyalla model. I kinda wish people would stop trying to fix what aint broke, and spend dev energies more productively.
Bret destroyer, power and hitpoint wise, is a midsized cruiser with most of it's firepower directed to the forward arc. Liberty siege cruiser is basically a ship wrapped around a huge front cannon, with some point defenses on it. Liberty Dread is a medium battleship, not a light one, in terms of power and armor.

Having checked most these cruiser models I think the term "Destroyer" means a frontally oriented ship, typically more maneuverable. "Cruiser" refers to a more balanced loadout. The point remains though, to prevent having to seriously rebalance the thing, try to keep the current loadout in terms of number of guns, and the arc direction and ranges, intact. The size should also remain largely the same ('cause if it isn't, it's very easy for us to resize the damn thing).

[Edit] At above: Knowing you'll deal with LNS on a daily basis, are you sure a not-so-maneuverable cruiser is the way to go?

[Request] New Scylla Model - Altejago - 02-18-2012

' Wrote:[Edit] At above: Knowing you'll deal with LNS on a daily basis, are you sure a not-so-maneuverable cruiser is the way to go?

If they can punch harder to compensate then yeah, I wouldn't mind so much

[Request] New Scylla Model - Echo 7-7 - 02-18-2012

' Wrote:If they can punch harder to compensate then yeah, I wouldn't mind so much


Aet's asking becuase Liberty Capitals are, generally speaking, on the agile end of the scale. LSC has great handling and an easy shape for the pilot, as far as Cruisers are concerned. I don't know what LABC turning/strafing is like but it does have a thruster now. It's good for crushing caps that are lighter than it, provided it keeps them within its main firing arcs. The Dreadnought is a medium battleship, but still quite manoeuverable. For reference, it turns noticably faster than a Mastodon, possibly faster than the Bison too. As for the Carrier... well, you don't see many around. Those are big, slow and heavy, from my limited experience of killing them (with multiple friendly caps in tow).


In summary, being outnumbered by ships that are faster than you is not a good situation. From my (also limited) knowledge of the Scylla itself, flexibility is an advantage. It's not a paper-thin Cruiser, but being able to keep the enemy at the right range is crucial to winning cap fights, since head-on slugfests with a LABC or Dread will not be pretty. [/ 2 cents]


OP: I don't think a re-texturing would hurt.

[Request] New Scylla Model - Govedo13 - 02-18-2012

Well I does not put any difference between Destroyer and Cruiser in the name- we got plenty of examples where both are mixed, the only realy destroyer in the Mod is the kusari one.
Scylla have heavy cruiser core 12 guns with crap arcs made for tanking- but what it could tank
Not a battleship for sure, then the 4 main opponents:
Bret Crusier/ GRN Cruisers- better arcs more hull more bots
Bret Dessie and Lib cruiser- both are much faster then it, especially the bret dessie- it is the best ship of its class since Kudessie got nerfed acrs. It have heavy core and good attacking gun arcs while it turns like thresher and can face you all the time.
Liberty cruiser- it can dance circles around scylla and remove it without problem.
It is on par with Corsair cruiser in terms of Hull/bots/turining/core but it does not have so good arcs like the corsair one.

I find adding crap arcs on ship as rather poor excuse really-because in reality you does not need 12 guns if you can shoot only with 8, the rest are only for show or to rotate mindlessly like RM gb turret with 350° arc for example- one word-useless.


' Wrote:Bret destroyer, power and hitpoint wise, is a midsized cruiser
You are pretty much wrong- it has light cruiser turning, light cruiser size, heavy cruiser powercore and heavy cruiser hull/bots with heavy slots front firering, it have nothing common with medium cruisers really. I find its stats justified since in 4.85 it needed to fight the best cruiser in game and now it is attacked by Gallia, however the bret dessie have nothing that you can compare it - it is unique crossover with only one downside- it does not have good backfire guns but it turns so fast that it does not need it and not like that Scylla have any good backfire guns.
Bret Dessie have superior harder to hit form and turns faster- it could use its frontal power to bring a lot of damage then turn faster then you and bring even more dmg on the side, scylla is not good at heavy hitting anything or defending vs snubs.

I does not ask that the ship must be on par with house military- I agree to have it worse then it I ask for having 1 less heavy slot in order not to have devs telling me" but it has 4 heavy slots"- it has 3 obviously since it does not possess one 360°- so making slot 12 light you would enable Scylla to defend itself better from snubs since it has tragic backfire arcs, other good thing would be that you does not to mount 2 Light mortars in order to have normal Light motar range. This is the fastest fix that would bring the ship a bit of snub defense power and would safe one wasted slot.
' Wrote:Keep in mind, this is a destroyer, Govedo. Not a fullsized cruiser. It's meant to be agile with a rather restricted firing arc.
However if you think it should be desse then re-size it with 20 %-30%, add small cruiser core to it slap 9 guns with 2 heavy front 1 heavy 360° and 6 light front/sides 4 backwards.
I have nothing against it, I personally would even love it- Rheinland Pirate cruiser like/SCRA cruiser like- small swift and deadly. Because now it is not agile- it have heavy cruiser core and a medium hull/bots with crappy arcs- it is nothing like agile or with smaller core/gun numbers. I am also not sure if its rather long model is suitable for destroyer size.

Now Scylla is crossover between Vidar and RPC- having effective guns range of RPC with Vidar handling, Vidar core but bad arcs, less hull less bots, so make your mind- if you want it heavy make it tank cruiser- Vidar like having a lot of backfire/front fire guns and proper arcs with more hull and more bots.

The closest that I could compare Scylla now is the Corsair cruiser- it have better arcs and the rest is the same. I also find the corsair cruiser also underpowered in terms of bots/bats and hull compared on his size and supposed role.

In general I find having slightly better turning then the most heaviest cruisers not a good excuse to have crap arcs or crap hull since they matter more definitely. The best possible combination for cruiser is the bret one- heavy core heavy Armour a lot of bots, small amount of guns- it is not relevant anyway an the best- Tresher like turing- it can steam roll small/medium/heavy cruisers like boss because it has little to no downsides. I would say to give it medum cruiser core if you want to be medium cruiser or medium cruiser hull and bots or medium cruiser turning. Give it something medium at least.

Now I need to test corsair cruiser/Vidar and RPC in order to see if there are any major changes then in 4.85. I tested Bret dessie in 4.86- it got 1 gun more, tested ku dessie- it is not OP anymore, tested the SCRA cruiser- it is really nice one. Sadly Disco of Disco is offline.

[Request] New Scylla Model - Doom - 02-18-2012

as modeler of current Scylla i wonder what exactly is wrong with it...and i am not asking about balance....
Look at image in post 4....i really don't see the problem....

texture wise molly ship line has exactly 3 of them...

If you want new model for pvp reasons then just say so....

[Request] New Scylla Model - Barbarossa - 02-18-2012

' Wrote:Well I does not put any difference between Destroyer and Cruiser in the name- we got plenty of examples where both are mixed, the only realy destroyer in the Mod is the kusari one.
Scylla have heavy cruiser core 12 guns with crap arcs made for tanking- but what it could tank
Not a battleship for sure, then the 4 main opponents:
Bret Crusier/ GRN Cruisers- better arcs more hull more bots
Bret Dessie and Lib cruiser- both are much faster then it, especially the bret dessie- it is the best ship of its class since Kudessie got nerfed acrs. It have heavy core and good attacking gun arcs while it turns like thresher and can face you all the time.
Liberty cruiser- it can dance circles around scylla and remove it without problem.
It is on par with Corsair cruiser in terms of Hull/bots/turining/core but it does not have so good arcs like the corsair one.

I find adding crap arcs on ship as rather poor excuse really-because in reality you does not need 12 guns if you can shoot only with 8, the rest are only for show or to rotate mindlessly like RM gb turret with 350° arc for example- one word-useless.
You are pretty much wrong- it has light cruiser turning, light cruiser size, heavy cruiser powercore and heavy cruiser hull/bots with heavy slots front firering, it have nothing common with medium cruisers really. I find its stats justified since in 4.85 it needed to fight the best cruiser in game and now it is attacked by Gallia, however the bret dessie have nothing that you can compare it - it is unique crossover with only one downside- it does not have good backfire guns but it turns so fast that it does not need it and not like that Scylla have any good backfire guns.
Bret Dessie have superior harder to hit form and turns faster- it could use its frontal power to bring a lot of damage then turn faster then you and bring even more dmg on the side, scylla is not good at heavy hitting anything or defending vs snubs.

I does not ask that the ship must be on par with house military- I agree to have it worse then it I ask for having 1 less heavy slot in order not to have devs telling me" but it has 4 heavy slots"- it has 3 obviously since it does not possess one 360°- so making slot 12 light you would enable Scylla to defend itself better from snubs since it has tragic backfire arcs, other good thing would be that you does not to mount 2 Light mortars in order to have normal Light motar range. This is the fastest fix that would bring the ship a bit of snub defense power and would safe one wasted slot.

However if you think it should be desse then re-size it with 20 %-30%, add small cruiser core to it slap 9 guns with 2 heavy front 1 heavy 360° and 6 light front/sides 4 backwards.
I have nothing against it, I personally would even love it- Rheinland Pirate cruiser like/SCRA cruiser like- small swift and deadly. Because now it is not agile- it have heavy cruiser core and a medium hull/bots with crappy arcs- it is nothing like agile or with smaller core/gun numbers. I am also not sure if its rather long model is suitable for destroyer size.

Now Scylla is crossover between Vidar and RPC- having effective guns range of RPC with Vidar handling, Vidar core but bad arcs, less hull less bots, so make your mind- if you want it heavy make it tank cruiser- Vidar like having a lot of backfire/front fire guns and proper arcs with more hull and more bots.

The closest that I could compare Scylla now is the Corsair cruiser- it have better arcs and the rest is the same. I also find the corsair cruiser also underpowered in terms of bots/bats and hull compared on his size and supposed role.

In general I find having slightly better turning then the most heaviest cruisers not a good excuse to have crap arcs or crap hull since they matter more definitely. The best possible combination for cruiser is the bret one- heavy core heavy Armour a lot of bots, small amount of guns- it is not relevant anyway an the best- Tresher like turing- it can steam roll small/medium/heavy cruisers like boss because it has little to no downsides. I would say to give it medum cruiser core if you want to be medium cruiser or medium cruiser hull and bots or medium cruiser turning. Give it something medium at least.

Now I need to test corsair cruiser/Vidar and RPC in order to see if there are any major changes then in 4.85. I tested Bret dessie in 4.86- it got 1 gun more, tested ku dessie- it is not OP anymore, tested the SCRA cruiser- it is really nice one. Sadly Disco of Disco is offline.
Not to go off-topic but.... Storta is even worse.... Less agile than Scylla, Less armor, 3 useless Heavy slots. [Image: Untitled-1.jpg]

[Request] New Scylla Model - Luis - 02-18-2012

' Wrote:http://discoverygc.com/wiki/images/b/b2/Scylla-s.png


What's the problem with the model? I flew one before and I actually liked it a lot better than the LSC. Manage to shut down 4 LABC's in New York with it after 10-20mins per kill per day/week, I don't see the problem with it... at all imo.

Model / Texture I don't give a damn cause it is Rogue, they are pirates.

[Request] New Scylla Model - Govedo13 - 02-19-2012

I spoke about the Balance of the ship not about the Model anyway- Charos started with the Model, however both are kinda connected- Destroyers have smaller profile and are not that long, Scylla have cruiser like model according to AD.
Labeled as Destroyer, balanced as Destroyer - there is the problem- in the crap arcs and slow turning with the large side profile, if you read my post you will see 3 different options to change/fix the ship.
I guess it is the same with Storta- however as far as I know Storta should be much faster then Scylla and have pancake like side profile- it could avoid snacs and stuff with vertical strafing- something that you can forget with Scylla.
Luis your blue msgs vs underpowered 4.85 LABC are in the past- same with 4.85 Scylla- it was different situation then- now Bret Dessie with 2 Cerberius turrets( 2 X 8 = 16 basic cruiser DPS) and Tresher turning eat Scyllas for breakfast. In order to compensate Scylla got better core now but the still crappy arcs does not allow the full usage of it.
In 4.85 Scylla was slower bigger with less core then Bret Dessie but more frontal guns DPS to compensate- in 4.86 Bret dessie got 1 gun more too. I bet that you cannot kill LABC in Scylla in 4.86- because 4.86 LABC is one of the best ships around. I was happy with 4.85 Scylla - it was not the best cruiser around but it could do the job- with 4 pulses and some other proper guns/stuff. However it sucked big time versus snubs- now it is the same but it sucks vs bigger ships too.

[Request] New Scylla Model - Prysin - 02-19-2012

It is alot of truth spoken here. I happened to see a Scylla in action against a LSC the other day... the LSC was playfully turning circles around the scylla beating it to a pulp with just 2 pulses and the forward cannon alone.

The scylla, should either be given heavier armor and more b/b or simply be completely rebalanced as a true cruiser...

oh, and doesnt scylla still use the 1.8m core? which is heavy destroyer core, not heavy cruiser (heavy cruiser is 2.25m)