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RE: The sanction of the Hess/Bret Combined Forces BattleGroup - Trogdor - 04-23-2012

' Wrote:So what if Brets fighting with Gallia & sairs jumps in edinberg to say the same.......

why would we loose chance to cripple the common enemy....

Edit: then it would be the top matter on forums to FR 5ed the sairs,
also I remember how much people cried on forums when that sairs & BHG thing happened to kick the OC

You missed the part where I addressed that. BHG and Sairs are enemies. Bretonia and Hessians are not enemies.


RE: The sanction of the Hess/Bret Combined Forces BattleGroup - Narcotic - 04-23-2012

I don't understand the people, saying "I got invited into the group, it's not my fault, that there were Hessians in it, too." or "I've been in the group already before the Hessians got in there."

You've been free to leave the group. So did I.


RE: The sanction of the Hess/Bret Combined Forces BattleGroup - Rodnas - 04-23-2012

Think of it that way:

What would the Rheinland goverment think if they knew the Bretonian military and the hessians do joint operations(we are not talking 1 lone snub but more or less the whole hessian capfleet so to say).
Nothing in life is free, so they would have to think what Bretonia gives the Hessians in turn? Money?Ressources?Military aid? Who knows?

But we all know what happens to countries that to openly support and work together with terrorist groups, right? Right!

=> Way too risky for Bretonia!


RE: The sanction of the Hess/Bret Combined Forces BattleGroup - sampankaj001 - 04-23-2012

' Wrote:I don't understand the people, saying "I got invited into the group, it's not my fault, that there were Hessians in it, too." or "I've been in the group already before the Hessians got in there."

You've been free to leave the group. So did I.



I'll only say...
You got the bills of rounds & mortars fired on the base...Appreciation doc in your hold....

I got experience of how to kill & build the base...


RE: The sanction of the Hess/Bret Combined Forces BattleGroup - Narcotic - 04-24-2012

' Wrote:I'll only say...
You got the bills of rounds & mortars fired on the base...Appreciation doc in your hold....

I got experience of how to kill & build the base...

I don't get your points.
First, I shoot only SNACs at the base. So no bills for me.
Secondly, I've got no sanction notification in my hold, since I haven't been in the group.

What do you want to tell my by that?


RE: The sanction of the Hess/Bret Combined Forces BattleGroup - Trogdor - 04-24-2012

' Wrote:I don't get your points.
First, I shoot only SNACs on the base. So no bills for me.
Secondly, I've got no sanction notification in my hold, since I haven't been in the group.

What do you want to tell my by that?
I don't think he knows that the sanctioned parties only got teleported to iota with their armor unmounted.

And some people probably used some ammo.


RE: The sanction of the Hess/Bret Combined Forces BattleGroup - Rodriguez - 04-24-2012

If this is a matter of who was grouped with who.

The BAF fighters/bombers, or at least many of them, didn't stay in the same group with the hessians.

The majority of BAF snubs were grouped with me, as I was coordinating them.

BAF|MN-Whitaker
BAF|Lt.James.Arland
BAF|Lt.Mike.Havering
BAF|Ens.S.Carrighan
BIS|Agent.Archer.
BIS|Agent.Coldstream
Bowex)Andrew.Husker
Kassy.Landers
HullCracker[37]

I have screenshoots of those listed above being in group with me and not with hessians.


RE: The sanction of the Hess/Bret Combined Forces BattleGroup - Narcotic - 04-24-2012

' Wrote:I don't think he knows that the sanctioned parties only got teleported to iota with their armor unmounted.

And some people probably used some ammo.

Ah nevermind. I thought he was speaking just to me.


RE: The sanction of the Hess/Bret Combined Forces BattleGroup - McNeo - 04-24-2012

Now is the time for Corsairs to start mining for cap armour upgrades.

I wish I could join in:(

EDIT: Wait, I can if you go through Alaska!


RE: The sanction of the Hess/Bret Combined Forces BattleGroup - Death.RunningVerminator - 04-24-2012

I'll just copy and paste what I said in the sanction thread.

' Wrote:BIS|Agent.Coldstream here, I would like to contest this sanction.
Counter-Argument:
The BPA/BAF/BIS often receive assistance from Molly's (Bretonia's longest standing enemy) Kusari Exiles (Former enemy whose leader is considered a war criminal) against the GRN, even the Outcasts who have no interests in Bretonia save a single base in Newcastle assist against them.
Yet it is deemed OORP and sanctionable for us to accept the uninvited assistance from a group whom Bretonia has little dealings with in comparison to the Molly's or the Kusari.
Justification
According to the Disco story and as our RP has been dictated to us, Bretonia is on the verge of collaspse after a draining war with the Kusari, a constant battle against Corsair encroachment and now a battle for survival against a massively overwhelming force of Gallia. So great is Bretonia's need of assistance that it is considered common and accepted that Molly fighters are to be granted amnesty when assisting against the Gallic forces. So desperate in fact that even the hated leader and war criminal, the Exiled Emperor of Kusari, is welcomed in the fight.
Considering the aforementioned state of affairs, I find it hard to believe that Bretonia could possibly refuse uninvited assistance against a common enemy from a group that has very little dealings within Bretonia but do not wish for their enemy to gain an advantage.
Some may argue that the Hessians have no RP interests in Bretonia or Cambridge. I would counter argue that the Corsairs do have an interest in Cambridge, that in turn would create an interest in Cambridge (denying advantage) for the Hessians, justifying their presence within system.
Conclusion
I put it to the admin team that the destruction of the Corsair base in Cambridge and the Hessian assistance, though uninvited is justifiable both logically and in terms of RP as dictated by the current storyline. Furthermore I would like to take issue with the punishment, forcing all participants through Corsair space with their armour and weapons unbound can be considered nothing more than revenge for the loss of the base. It is not punishment for rule breaking but rather punishing us for working as a team to take down a base, which if I am not mistaken was the goal of player owned bases.
I would ask that all ships be replaced to their original positions within Bretonia with all items intact for this gross injustice of punishing the many for the error of the few.

Thank you.
/signed

When you're a house that's on the verge of destruction you will do anything to prevent it. They've already done dealings and had help with (as croft said) mollies, kusari exiles, and outcasts. Why not red hessians? In fact, from an outside perspective it doesn't even look like these guys arranged any sort of 'teaming' with the hessians at all. Instead, they just 'showed up' to blow the base to oblivion with them.

But really, the Bretonians know they're about to be steamrolled by Gallia. Why WOULDN'T you try building relations with a group you don't usually interact with in order to fight a common enemy? Imho the event that took place should have been considered a step forward in Bretonian - Hessian RP and trust so they could further develop their diplomatic status with each other.. Not be punished for making their own completely reasonable RP.

Also the whole 'grouping' thing Is reasonable. I mean that the admins punished those who were grouped. That makes sense. I don't know why you guys would group.. if you all didn't it actually would have been pretty cool to see something better come out of that.