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No pirating in cap's/but legal's allowed to kill trader's in cap's? - ryoken - 04-29-2008
So since you cant smuggle in a trader you decide to start smuggling in a battlestart with a BH ID?
That was before the incident in question,and is perfectly legal, since BH ID states a BH cannot smuggle/trade at all times or something in that affect. That is also a different CHAR, and i keep all my char's separate from 1 another.:cool:
No pirating in cap's/but legal's allowed to kill trader's in cap's? - AdamantineFist - 04-29-2008
Now, the rules state that pirates cannot pirate in a capital ship, but say nothing of law enforcement officials. Attacking a trader who has refused to drop cargo is allowed by a lawful, no matter what ship type is used. Now, I personally think that it's a bit silly to go around stopping little traders in your massive, hulking battleship, but that is perfectly legal. Of course, you are free from any harassment whatsoever if you do not break the law, but if you do, and refuse to pay the fine, then they have every right to kill you.
No pirating in cap's/but legal's allowed to kill trader's in cap's? - ryoken - 04-29-2008
Moving on, anyway yes, legal organizations -are- allowed to kill Traders in Capships. Of course it has to be FULLY within roleplay, not just blow someone up for the hell of it. For instance, smuggling 4000 artifacts? Ya, it's illegal to carry it in house systems, what do you expect the Lawfuls to do? Dock, log out, switch characters, come back? No 'course not. They will use what they have to inforce the law, which includes using any class of capital ship to do it. But of course the lawful pilot must ask you to drop the cargo first. If you start running, it gives him/her permission to open fire. Now indies doing it I do have a problem with, but I won't express my opinion on this, not yet atleast.
See this is what i am looking for. Answer's
The battle cruiser in question did not say a word to me.
The LSF fighter i was fighting did. The cruiser just opened up on me. No stop firing at the LSF/ no drop cargo or i will shoot/ not 1 word from him. I was talking and RP'n with the LSF not the indie with no TAG.
No pirating in cap's/but legal's allowed to kill trader's in cap's? - Dantrithor - 04-29-2008
Both, the cruiser and me, were teamed, and we were in formation chasing you. He didnt say a word, as he had no time, because after several requests by my side, you began shooting at my VHF. Everyone knows the damage transports can inflict to a fighter while typing/doing whatever. You were given options, you didnt talk in RP a single sentece, you began shooting without warning, you were nullified by security forces.
Please, dont make me put here the whole conversatino you had, while we were chasing you, about how we couldnt stop you because of server rules against attacking transports, even when you were getting into a restricted area (Z21), with smuggled goods. But if its requested by an admin for any kind clarification, i will send them by private message.
About if i gave enough time to drop smuggled goods, it gave him enough time to run away, try to find entrance to Z21, missing it, and trying to go around the minefield. Since first request to drop goods to last screenshot before beeing fired on me, it is 3 minutes.
And i am really sorry that our interception did give so many.. problems. I had to post as i didnt want MACK-TRUCK to have any kind of "invulnerability" shield against him because his constant threats about reporting us if we attacked him, which began right after feeling trapped. He didnt bother to talk before that, to put any excuse or whatever.
No pirating in cap's/but legal's allowed to kill trader's in cap's? - Guyton - 04-29-2008
' Wrote:See this is what i am looking for. Answer's
The battle cruiser in question did not say a word to me.
The LSF fighter i was fighting did. The cruiser just opened up on me. No stop firing at the LSF/ no drop cargo or i will shoot/ not 1 word from him. I was talking and RP'n with the LSF not the indie with no TAG.
Here you have just stated you were indeed fighting a lawful ship. If you engaged a lawful ship such as the LSF. Then yes the cruiser has the right to assist his fellow comrade and open fire.
No pirating in cap's/but legal's allowed to kill trader's in cap's? - ryoken - 04-29-2008
But yet if a pirate in oh say a light fighter is fighting a trader, and his budy in a BS kill's the trader he is sanctioned. This is a lovely rule. (for you slow people that is sarcasm).
So why is there contraband,or a smuggler ID? Since both these allow people to say Frack the rule's he is breaking the law, lets kill him with our CAPS.:crazy:
No pirating in cap's/but legal's allowed to kill trader's in cap's? - DBoy1612 - 04-29-2008
' Wrote:But yet if a pirate in oh say a light fighter is fighting a trader, and his budy in a BS kill's the trader he is sanctioned. This is a lovely rule. (for you slow people that is sarcasm).
So why is there contraband,or a smuggler ID? Since both these allow people to say Frack the rule's he is breaking the law, lets kill him with our CAPS.:crazy:
Stop mixing up Pirates and Lawfuls, two totally different organizations with two different sets of rules. And my post previous explains all the points that you want answered. Please stop shooting yourself in the foot, because you should know this isn't going to end well...
No pirating in cap's/but legal's allowed to kill trader's in cap's? - sovereign - 04-29-2008
' Wrote:But yet if a pirate in oh say a light fighter is fighting a trader, and his budy in a BS kill's the trader he is sanctioned. This is a lovely rule. (for you slow people that is sarcasm).
So why is there contraband,or a smuggler ID? Since both these allow people to say Frack the rule's he is breaking the law, lets kill him with our CAPS.:crazy:
The reason the pirate is in the wrong is because their action is aggressive- THEY are pirating you. In this case, YOUR action is aggressive- you smuggled, went through Zone-21, and attacked them first. You are allowed to defend yourself in a capship if grouped with a fighter against a trader- thus, if a battleship is grouped with a trader, he may defend the trader against pirating, or against lawful forces. If a battleship is grouped with a lawful, he may not engage traders unless the trader commits a hostile action (like knocking the shields off their buddy, it only takes 50% to be hostile declaration) FIRST. You did, and you suffered for it. Live with it, and talk RP.
No pirating in cap's/but legal's allowed to kill trader's in cap's? - ryoken - 04-29-2008
I am done. i will stay out of NY with my trader. No one there want's to RP, just cap whore.I will trade only when i need cash,and stop smuggling, even though it is fun when people actually RP. I will do legal trading, and leave system ruler's to themselves. Other places to trade other then NY,and they RP. Had a great RP chat with RM, and QCP.
ADMINS pls close this. i have learned lawful's have no rule's,and unlawful's do.
I will just change all my non lawful's to lawful's so i can play to.
No pirating in cap's/but legal's allowed to kill trader's in cap's? - sovereign - 04-29-2008
' Wrote:I am done. i will stay out of NY with my trader. No one there want's to RP, just cap whore.I will trade only when i need cash,and stop smuggling, even though it is fun when people actually RP. I will do legal trading, and leave system ruler's to themselves. Other places to trade other then NY,and they RP. Had a great RP chat with RM, and QCP.
ADMINS pls close this. i have learned lawful's have no rule's,and unlawful's do.
It seems you are under the impression you RP'd, and they did not... funny, as literally everyone else involved has said otherwise, and kept their cool when reprimanding you.
Why do they all do this?
It seems that the more owned someone was, the more likely they are to flame the other side for capwhoring and not RPing, while it is often these same people who are, in fact, guilty of the crimes they accuse of others...
Quote:Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Good advice, methinks.