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RE: Vidar Vs. Hel - Knjaz - 11-16-2012
Vidar and Hel turning rates are absolutely same. Check FLStat.
Hel is smaller, Vidar provides significantly higher versatility., combined with increased firepower.
It can stand up to Rheinland Cruiser in a direct confrontation without any problems.
Vidar.
P.S. Ofc, i dont talk about Connecticut duels, but about in-game stuff. Those often differ in their outcomes.
P.P.S. Agree with Govedo about Hessian bomber part.
RE: Vidar Vs. Hel - Thunderer - 11-16-2012
When I fought those two in conn, I didn't notice any significant difference in size, even less in agility. However, the Vidar has a lot more hull, energy, turrets and a bit more regens. The Hel is just slightly flatter, but when I miss her, it is a miss serious enough to happen with the Vidar, as well.
RE: Vidar Vs. Hel - Govedo13 - 11-16-2012
Charus I know you are fellas with Blodo- noting wrong with that.
But lets be honest here-facts are well facts.
The KuDessie got only 2 primaries back, 1 heavy slot that does not fire backwards. Can you compare this with 5 primaries back and 2 heavy at 360?
CR cruiser is not destroyer. The Liberty thing have 1,5 backfire arcs and it is really long so it eats shots. I haven't used the zoner ship-even if it is the best in the mod none cares since zoners does not PvP in general.
Also Hessians are unlawfuls, most of the unlawful cruisers are one level worse then their house contraparts, there are no signs of such thing in the Hessian line.
According to the dev description cruisers are slower with more guns and better arcs. Destroyers are fast with bad back/side arcs The CR thing and Kusari thing is indeed fitting in this description.
FL stat does not properly show the turning speed,I used both ships- the Vidar is notably slower but indeed more useful in typical cruiser role.
Actually the whole discussion is kinda useless since both of them would be replaced and rebalanced.
RE: Vidar Vs. Hel - Ursus - 11-16-2012
Hel turns at .4 rad/s or 22.9 deg/s, Vidar turns at .38 rad/s or 21.8 deg/s.
so Hel turns 1 degree per second faster
(this is average of the up/down/sideways)
RE: Vidar Vs. Hel - Prysin - 11-16-2012
Hel would win, TS + shape + agility would make it more then capable. The only way i see the Vidar come out as the victor would be if the Vidar went full evasive and kept spamming missiles at the Hel until the thruster comes off/ship dies.
Also, according to Govedo, all ships except Rogue line is OP... go figure...
RE: Vidar Vs. Hel - EisenSeele - 11-16-2012
Vidar. If the vidar isn't a moron, it can hang on the defensive and force a stalemate until it can close the distance between itself and the hel.
RE: Vidar Vs. Hel - Flash™ - 11-17-2012
I have used both ships also. Hel is faster indeed. Vidar isnt slow, it actually is faster then normal Heavy Cruiser. The turning speed is not a large difference but the shape is. Hel is smaller by pretty big difference. So if you think about group fights. I think Hel would do alot better because agility. Vidar would probaly die fast because its bigger. And Hel does great against Batleships. When I flown both of them against a Battleship ( same person ), Hel did alot better. Vidar got hit more with the heavy guns of Battleship. They are both great ships, but its not Vidar vs Hel in conn or whatever. Its Which ship is better against other cruisers and Battleships and group fights.
RE: Vidar Vs. Hel - monmarfori - 11-17-2012
Hel, due to speed. You would see a cap8 Hel vs cap8 Dread, Hel wins.
Hel: 1,000,000
Dread: 3,360,000
After pounding,
Hel: 309,870
Dread: 511,220
Even more:
Hel: 190,200
Dread:98,170
So by the time Dread explodes, Hel has 122,500 health, but Dread wins at 361,800 using a Vidar.
RE: Vidar Vs. Hel - Flash™ - 11-17-2012
(11-17-2012, 05:06 AM)monmarfori Wrote: Hel, due to speed. You would see a cap8 Hel vs cap8 Dread, Hel wins.
Hel: 1,000,000
Dread: 3,360,000
After pounding,
Hel: 309,870
Dread: 511,220
Even more:
Hel: 190,200
Dread:98,170
So by the time Dread explodes, Hel has 122,500 health, but Dread wins at 361,800 using a Vidar.
Agreed
RE: Vidar Vs. Hel - Lonely_Ghost - 11-17-2012
There is no difference, because skilled cruiser pilot can own BS in Vidar and Hel. I had opinion, that Bret Dessy can't solo BS, due to it's shape. Now I have no doubt, that it can perform BS solo not even loosing sheild. You need to use your streight, and cover your weakneses.
So, if you would say, which cruiser is better in solo BS, I would say Hel=Vidar. It's question of skills and tacticks, not of ship's stat.
In cruiser vs cruiser, player with more hull points has offensive advatage, because he can just tank oponent with lighter armour. However, blind tanking light cruiser can cause such problem, that you will find your hull on 5% streight, when you at last had entered into 100% trapping ranger. However, it's matter of skills, weapon setup, and may be even luck, when your oponent ocasionaly showed he's ship weak point, or easy to hit side.
So, here goes same tip- in Hel you need to focuse on dodge and evasion, on Vidar you need focuse on proper offence and striking. Blind attacking or running will cause lose on every ship.
P.S. Im finaly home and my apprentisenship is over for now!