' Wrote:Let me make this clear.
A CAP WHORE is not the people who are posting here on these forums.

' Wrote:I'm sorry. Where did you get this 90% figure from?

They are the Guard. At most, the defence council for Outcasts. Mainly for the Omicron-85 system. They have a ZoI over Alpha but their authority ends at the the JH to Alpha. They have no sway over the everyday deals of Outcasts or what ships get sold or made. Especially when the ships are made on Malta.

' Wrote:They've been accepted as that by 90% of the Outcast population.

' Wrote:I'm afraid that they represent the Outcast Navy, and as such are quite influential. As to what ships get sold or made... have you seen those bar rumours, you know, the ones where it is stated that they build the dreads on Corsica?

Anyways, being the main part of the Maltese Naval Forces, one would think that they have sway over all production of capital class vessels.
Now, if you're RPing well enough, then I support you in your decision to use a capship. I feel that registration should be there to aid in RP. Also, it seems we've needlessly polarized. Registering shouldn't be too difficult if you ARE RPing correctly, and the entire point is to enable more co-operation and RP between indies and established factions. THAT'S what I want to see here. Co-operation. We don't need to get all uppity about factions vs. indies. We need more co-operation. I would suggest that you at least talk to the 101st, if not register. If you were go up to them and tell the what your RP was, in PMs even, then that would be nice. You needn't say "OK, we'll do everything you say." You merely need RP in a mature and responsible manner. That's what this whole issue started as, and I think that it's been blown out of proportion, by factioners and indies alike. Indies are being too defensive and several seem to be refusing anything a factioner even suggests. Some factioners seem to be acting overly aggressive and confrontational, instead of opening private channels of communication with the indies. I think that everyone's extreme attitudes seem to have exacerbated the problem. Now, why don't we all calm down. Both sides need to be willing to initiate communication, as well, not just the indies.

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Wrong, I'm a cap whore because I don't register. Before there was registration I wasn't.

And those enforcing registration are pvp and bomber whores.

And those that rp are rp whores.

And if I love my momma I'm a momma whore I guess.
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How are they bomber whores? I mean seriously how can they be? It's not like it's OORP for people to say "//stop talking OORP in system and take it to private" is it? Whereby one person commits an OORP actions in order to stop an OORP actions. It's perfectly in RP. Oh wait...people don't like people saying "//stop talking OORP in system and take it to private" do they?

I don't want to know anything about your family. Whatsoever.:P

[quote= Wrote:Okay 90% is probably a guess, but I know most folks concur that the 101st is who makes the law along with the RoS and the BLS who have voiced no complaints over this policy.

Secondly all that the rules state regarding influence is that the 101st are not allowed to restrict access to anything but Omicron-85, for a detailed description of their activities we must go to their faction status, the admin approved document they wrote, and to their recent Faction Status review for consumption by the rest of us, which they posted a couple of months back. Now we can see that in the status review the 101st did start their policy of restricting capital class vessels, all of them. I see not one dissenting voice to that claim. They actually toned it down when they reposted their faction status after the community had commented on it. Still no dissenting voices. So this is all coming to light now nearly two months after it had been declared all well and good?

Refs:

101st faction status review

101st Faction Status

Finally I can agree with Adamantine. I'm tired and probably taking this thing a little too seriously. Akumabito I ask that you step back and really think about what it is this registration represents.

It's one of three things.

1) A solid attempt to get RP going with capital ships

2) A misguided and possibly futile attempt to get RP going with capital ships

3) A conspiracy by the factions to kill off all indies so we can have all the power.

' Wrote:3) A conspiracy by the factions to kill off all indies so we can have all the power.

' Wrote:You don't get as much power by killing people off as you get by forcing people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do.

Again, can you show why this is needed (and not like eppy did, by whining you got killed 4 to one when the 101st itself does the same thing), show how this will help (when these registration posts have little to no RP and no way to enforce RP on the server), and show why it shouldn't be taken as a power play? (when that's exactly what it looks like)

' Wrote:I find the rule's very simple. I have 9 ship's from a L fighter on up to a BS. Sometime's i like a fast L fighter, sometime's i like to just sit around in MY BS and RP.No ship class is harder or easier to fly/RP. It is a matter of choice.
Now as for faction's, and Indie's. I have been in several faction's, was even second in command of 1. I prefer to be Indie myself, as it offer's more freedom of choice.mostly because i hate having someone tell me i must travel 4 system's to help in a fight i did not start, and waste an hour of my free time doing something i may not enjoy. Also joining a group of 6+ ship's trying to kill 1 person(i was the victom of a BS/2 cruiser's/2GB's and several fighter's chase and kill my 1 cruiser just today. Not on my list of fun thing's to do).
Now a having a faction tell me i cannot go somewhere in my indie ship, with same ID/TAG/SHIP as him because i am not in HIS faction is total power whoring,and not right. I even asked an admin about this with a specific example, and was told and i quote "if you are in RP with all proper tag's/ID's/ship/weapon's, and it is not a guard system under ownership you have the same right's to be there as they do. If fired on SS and send to sanction thread" SO all you power monger's, do not push indie's in RP around if it is not YOUR guard system. They have same right's as you.
My biggest example of this is LSF/SA/LNS telling a liberty navy ship with navy TAG/ID he cannot enter Alaska space. WRONG. It is not a faction owned system,it is not a guard system. They are on same side as you, and have same right's as you.
All i am trying to say is as long as a person INDIE/FACTION has correct ship/tag/ID and is RP'n it same as you, let them be.Let them enjoy the game like you. After all he is still on your side whether he has a {}[]-0-
infront of his name or not.
Faction's have there place in Disco, but so do the Indie's.
CAN"T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?:laugh::):lol:

' Wrote:Now a having a faction tell me i cannot go somewhere in my indie ship, with same ID/TAG/SHIP as him because i am not in HIS faction is total power whoring,and not right. I even asked an admin about this with a specific example, and was told and i quote "if you are in RP with all proper tag's/ID's/ship/weapon's, and it is not a guard system under ownership you have the same right's to be there as they do. If fired on SS and send to sanction thread"

' Wrote:I just wanted to repost this, as it seams to have gone unnoticed.