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Corsair - Zoner - Dane Summers - 02-05-2012
' Wrote:In regard to the Zoners - have they gotten their ally the GMG involved at all? Considering the GMG is already very unhappy with the Corsairs and all...
Lets not - this thing doesn't need to be bigger then it already is.
Corsair - Zoner - FraserTE - 02-05-2012
' Wrote:You are really not the one to talk about who's an ass and who's not, given what I have personal experience of.
Zelot, knowing me as well as he does, and knowing what I do and my preferred methods of warring, will understand what I mean.
To tell you the truth we can honestly Suspend all transit of the area TAz has Baffin osi Uses omega 49 Now if the corsairs Brought there crap there im pretty sure somebody like i dont know SCRA ? would spank there nice little butts cause its like ya know TAZ and scra are like coo ? same with OSI Hell my whale can even enter that system and not get shot at cause of a treaty we have. That being besides the point yes we can honestly just Sit back and stay out of it why the hell would we get involved You already destroyed one zoner faction ?
Respend to your terms ?
here's an idea shove your terms up where the sun done shine cuase im honestly thinking the next move is to sit back and not give a crap. Blow it all to hell we don't go there that much anyhow.
Corsair - Zoner - Tenshu - 02-05-2012
' Wrote:Thats a great attitude. "Someone is rping something I don't like so I will insult them and stick my head in the sand" It is the attitude that got us where we are.
The reason he said that Zelot is because we all know back here that this situation will inevitably be another fruitless RP stance that will solve nothing.
I understand how it is. The empire tried to negotiate with Zoners in the Omicrons but didn't get what they wanted.
That is indeed a shame.
So instead they decided to threaten other Zoner groups who were not involved.
This will accomplish nothing. TAZ reside on the other side of Sirius who have already on one occasion cut ties with Omicron Zoners due to our reluctance to be involved in these very situations.
So, because of this we would sooner ignore the situation entirely, evacuate all assets in the Omegas and say goodbye to the Corsair Empire.
In the end, Hessains, RR and the like will continue to be able to base off FPs despite all the council's efforts.
Do not assume we treasure the Omegas so much as to grovel once our safe passage is threatened.
It's funny, since before the last great announcement of the Corsair empire, I was talking with OSI and other TAZ seniors prior to opening negotiations so that we could all speak with a unified voice. But it seems Corsairs would rather make us not give a **** for their problems. Indeed a shame.
Corsair - Zoner - globalplayer-svk - 02-05-2012
Ok i will ask something and will answer from the zober advocates here:
You think that is really ok that hessians and hunter caps are using your NEUTRAL bases as resuply base and starting point on attacks on the empire thst is right near,and escaping there when pursued by the empire? So tje whole empire know thst it is your so called NEUTRAL base for thst???
And before you answer think about it
When you say yes,it is ok,then you are openly picking side,so your neutrality ended...
When you say no,have on mind that it is time to make something,answering that we can not make nothing is just saying that you are not zoner because you have no will and power about zoners...
And have on mind that this is not first time that corsairs are mad because this...this happened lot of times and zoners maked just nothing...
Corsair - Zoner - NonSequitor - 02-05-2012
And I had to go and sell my Juggy 2 weeks after the new mod went public... bummer.
Here's the way I see this bruhaha.
Firstly, the Corsairs have a point: having your enemies assault your homeworld from a Freeport is kind of irritating. Zoners stop being neutral when they allow warfleets to dock at their Freeports. We get it already. But I do find it a bit insincere on the part of many Corsairs that they actually dislike PVP and getting their blue messages. And the fact that many enjoy the role of the neighborhood bully. Sure, it's Corsair RP, but you wouldn't be playing the Corsair if you didn't like Corsair RP. Just sayin'.
Secondly, the position of Zoners. True neutrality is an impossible goal, imho. When Zoner diplomacy works, it's more of them playing potential enemies off of one another, i.e. Corsairs vs. Outcasts, BH vs. criminals, etc. Zoner RP strikes me as being very difficult to pull off successfully - upholding the illusion of neutrality to outside parties. Then there's the idea of Zoners being a decentralized faction. An interesting idea in itself, but highly problematic in crisis situations. Zoners really need a general council and some sort of a central leadership body.
I also suggest that Freeports 5, 9, 10 and 15 would be made Zoner-exclusive bases: non-Zoners would be unable to dock at those bases. Could Cannon implement this? It would eliminate a lot of paperwork for the next Zoner faction(s) that may take of residence in those parts.
I don't know what Zoners think about the Order alliance, but I think it should be re-examined. In the big picture, I don't think Zoners need the Order, particularily when that means tensions with the Core.
Corsair - Zoner - Trogdor - 02-05-2012
' Wrote:Ok i will ask something and will answer from the zober advocates here:
You think that is really ok that hessians and hunter caps are using your NEUTRAL bases as resuply base and starting point on attacks on the empire thst is right near,and escaping there when pursued by the empire? So tje whole empire know thst it is your so called NEUTRAL base for thst???
And before you answer think about it
When you say yes,it is ok,then you are openly picking side,so your neutrality ended...
When you say no,have on mind that it is time to make something,answering that we can not make nothing is just saying that you are not zoner because you have no will and power about zoners...
And have on mind that this is not first time that corsairs are mad because this...this happened lot of times and zoners maked just nothing...
Your side has been complaining about this for a while now, but conveniently forgetting that you guys do the same thing (at least in the lore). You use FP1 and other Freeports in the Omegas as forward bases for raids on Bretonia. It sounds to me like you want us to enforce our neutrality rules only when it's convenient for you.
Quote:Then there's the idea of Zoners being a decentralized faction. An interesting idea in itself, but highly problematic in crisis situations. Zoners really need a general council and some sort of a central leadership body.
As I've mentioned before, we had that. It was called the Zoner Council and fell apart a year+ ago. We need to put it back together again for the good of the faction, IMO.
Corsair - Zoner - globalplayer-svk - 02-05-2012
Trogdor you know what is funny?
Have you idea how ended in past some corsairs that maked this when corsair council told them not to
Make this?i mean using fp as base for operation. But maybe is time to move all corsair caps to bering or where is the fp and raid rheinlandberty every day and then escape there...
Maybe then you understand why it is problem when reinland and liberty start hostility toward zoners for allowing us to make that.and you can be sure that they make that because we will always run there and laugh how well we are protected by zoner base...
And when zoners try to fr5 us we will scream how is that possible when it is not possible to make something in this situation that is similar...
Corsair - Zoner - DarthBindo - 02-05-2012
' Wrote:Your side has been complaining about this for a while now, but conveniently forgetting that you guys do the same thing (at least in the lore). You use FP1 and other Freeports in the Omegas as forward bases for raids on Bretonia. It sounds to me like you want us to enforce our neutrality rules only when it's convenient for you.Discretion is the better part of valour.
Corsair - Zoner - Reacher - 02-05-2012
' Wrote:Lets not - this thing doesn't need to be bigger then it already is.
Indeed. Because to accomplish Corsair goals fighting in Theta is not necessary. All we have to do is spead out across Sirus hunting and killing Zoner Trade ships.
Good SNAC aim, an available transport, and time is all we need :cool:
Thug Life Baby!
Corsair - Zoner - globalplayer-svk - 02-05-2012
And trogdor,can you tell me for what we use freeports in omega,when our base in o5 is like 10k from cambridge hole?????
And difference is that when zoners ask corsairs to make something with corsair group xy,because it is using your base as base for attacks,you can be sure we deal with them...as we dealed in past...
But when we are asking that,nothing is hapening...
And saying that some zoner official factions are not involved in this is...well,then who is official zoner faction responsible for zoners?noone? Then why you care if corsairs are angry on zoners?