' Wrote:It hasn't gone unnoticed, it's that the factions think they own you even if you don't join them. They have no respect for indies.

' Wrote:Also, this arguement will never be settled. Some will still think factions are evillll!!!!!! and some will still think Independants are evilllll!!!!!!!!
The Outcasts are one of the favourite factions in Freelancer. When you have Outcast Battleships appearing in New York then you have a problem (Though it can be resolved by a bomber or two). You do not see BAF battleships appearing in NY though.
Bretonia has few enough people as it is, if the BAF had imposed restrictions they would've probably had a few less (Though the people who go to Bretonia are usually the more RP heavy people anyway)
If you had refused the BAF request then they would've killed you in the end. Outcasts just have to do it regularly.

' Wrote:And I'm tired of the crap factions give me.

You tell me right now, I'm KOS by eppy and his boys because I refuse to register even though it makes absolutely zero difference how I rp whether I register or not.

In fact this policy has damaged beyond repair my QCO rp, and left a BS and two fighter in the position of protecting Bretonia despite the queen rather than for the queen.

Bullying from a person that I not only didn't agree to have as a faction leader, but frankly a person that I also have zero respect for is why I bought my outcast destroyer to begin with by the way.

Tell me right now how this bullying by factions is helping forum or server rp?
So what you're saying is that you support what you dislike because of fear of PvP whoring from eppy?

' Wrote:How many times do I have to say it. Why are you tarring us all with the same brush when you yourself claim it's wrong to do the same to the indies? None of the liberty unlawful factions lay claim to the indies, none of them. What is it then that makes us so evil?

' Wrote:Why are you tarring us all with the same brush when you yourself claim it's wrong to do the same to the indies?

' Wrote:I'm sorry, I thought you supported this policy and even went so far as to register your liberty cruisers with the outcasts?

' Wrote:Please refer to previous posts in this very thread and in the other you hijacked for you own personal amusement, regarding my support or lack of, for this registration. And they are Outcast destroyers. Honestly have you read a word I've typed or just gone through and highlighted sentences you disliked or thought you could get a rise out of?

' Wrote:After I had some sleep I thought of something. Correct me if Im way off track Tek, n00bl3t and other "for-indies".

Is the PVP server down? Because it seems to me be two issues contributing to the issue here. 1) an influx of people wanting the biggest ships with the biggest armor, with the biggest guns - without proper RP. To me that is just "capship-whoreship". That Kind of thing I feel belongs on the pvp server.
and 2) the unfair restrictions put on indies because of this influx of new players.

Would that be about right?

' Wrote:You really believe that don't you. I'm an option 2 kinda guy, I personally think that in order for this to work in anyway as it's intended, it would have to be pushed to it's logical conclusion, the forcing of -all- ships to have written RP and that's plainly absurd. I for one would cry out against that. Some folks just don't have the time to crank out page after page of RP. Besides as mwerte likes to say ingame RP > forum RP and he's so damned right.

But capship registration isn't a tool for the conquest of all indys, it's supposed to get folks to have a minimum RP for their capships, the same as is frankly expected of any ship. It's just it's easier to spot an OORP capship because they are so damned big and obvious.

' Wrote:People keep saying that this is a powerplay/some other terrible thing... But I fail to see what power anyone is garnering for themselves by requesting that a fellow makes the time to document his ship of the line, their crew and their mission. Like Del says, no one's screaming for 10 pages of Hemmingway!

Admittedly I'm not a cap pilot myself, ironically for many of the same reasons that people are now requesting a registry of vessels. It was simply more of an RP investment than I had reason to make at the time. Throwing together a fictional crew, mission and so on seemed like a heck of a chore if I was lacking the inspiration to back it up.

However, it's for those same reasons that caps were originally nerfed: Because people abused them. The registration being proposed by the Corsairs, Outcasts and now Bretonia is a step in restoring the respectability of these vessels so that they may be restored to their former grandeur. n00bl3t and Akumabito both of you are coming off as determinedly obtuse in arguing that you needn't do a damn thing to carry on with their day, the iconic old man sitting on his porch with shotgun in hand, arguing that no one's gonna come onto your property to meter your water.

But then I suppose I don't understand the anti faction and more than borderline anti-community mindset that's recently become the vogue.

' Wrote:I just wanted to repost this, as it seams to have gone unnoticed.

' Wrote:Guys, let me say, that in character, I have made no move whatsoever to change, bully, haras, or otherwise mess with either Kuro, Puff the Magic dragon, or the HMS Churchhill, and Akumbito left my faction, of his own will, because of my position on factions. It actually came as a shock to me.

' Wrote:My position is: since it is not against the rules to do so, we may demand whatever we like from indies, and we can take it because we're bigger, and more organized.
This was an orrp statement, and one of possibly 2 or 3 posts, other than this one, that I've made in this debate. Most of that not typing, I did because Akumbito was a member of my faction, and I owed him loyalty because of that.

' Wrote:My position, again, is an academic position, not my belief, I do not hold to the belief that that is how factions should conduct themselves. But I do believe that they are well within their rights to act in such a manner, just as it is within an indie's rights to ignore a faction. Indies are of course much smaller, and things will often go poorly once they have ignored a faction.

' Wrote:All Eppy asked for was a short post registering the darn things. Whoop-dee-doo. Ground-breaking shattering of norms there. I think I might start to cry, actually.

Or maybe not. Maybe he's actually making an attempt to compromise by asking very little in his attempt to make the Outcasts credible.