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RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - Alley - 06-01-2013
(06-01-2013, 06:22 PM)Bootsiuv Wrote: At least the navy sent a fleet or whatever to take out ours, not have a guy who I thought was my friend go in and remove all of the supplies.
That's what I've been trying to make the bret leaders understand for a few posts now, but it's like according to them it's something completely ok to do.
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - Thyrzul - 06-01-2013
(06-01-2013, 06:08 PM)jonnaffen747 Wrote: The Station was acctualy defined as an BHG Installation and since the inRP Agreement of this just Summer on Skype and me talked ooRPly. It was something like ''It would be better if you hold it to BPA becuz the repsheet you know...''
BHG installation with BPA IFF, or so I've heard...
(06-01-2013, 06:08 PM)jonnaffen747 Wrote: To this I can answer you quietly easy :
I had setted platforms to hostile, cuz my AA|John.Able' is a BHG bomber and i attacked with him the Base. The Bowex passed as I were dead already (Seemed like) and he died. I stopped testing defense grid. AND I ONLY TESTED ON ME YE?
One day later, I was unhappy with the positions of the platforms there were just 60 Players online~~ it was morning here I said lets try again Hopefully no one passes now, I setted to hostile back again was goin to Switch to my bomber as i were on my stork undocked accidently and tried to redock as i said before my mother camed in to room at this time, to Switch to my bomber and then the [C] passed and just got killed I had noch Chance to help him as I were afk... It was an Accident... And as I told we are all Humans and Humans do Mistakes (Rule 1.10 ye Is made for People that live on earth, Show a heart and Forget me my mistake.
As others earlier mentioned, there are other ways to test a station's defense capabilities without endangering any nearby vessels, such as making a pirate character and flying there with that...So your excuse is barely credible... Also, blaming stuff on relatives... where did I hear that before...
(06-01-2013, 06:08 PM)jonnaffen747 Wrote: You dont got this Point, I talked at this Time to burak in Skype totaly ooRPly and not realistcly meant, I mean do I look like I would sell a Core 4 Base fully equipped and well supplied for 1,5 bilion as burak wished? No. We just Spammed a bit around in the Lawful Chat to annoy Summer cuz he removed me one day before from the Chat and added me again so I could annoy him a bit. Also I think the destruction of this Installation was just cuz of Summers Feelings but this is just my opinion.
Neither you seem to get the point. The jokes themselves may not have created suspicion, but the coincidence that you were joking about these stuff happened about the same time as the other things Marcus listed indeed questioned your liability.
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - FallenKnight - 06-01-2013
(06-01-2013, 06:22 PM)Bootsiuv Wrote: At least the navy sent a fleet or whatever to take out ours, not have a guy who I thought was my friend go in and remove all of the supplies.
-From pure RP point of view - your base was destroyed but the ppl and the resources were safe (it seems so). Bretonia was accused before for sending armada vs a base which was not registered and the owner brought this to the news "BAF killing innocent people". So again in OORP it may be a low move but in RP your ppl are safe.
-From pure OORP point of view - players really hate bases (most of them) cuz they disrupt their "fun", but what players hate most are "unknown" bases pretending to be lawful and shooting on allies. That can bring issues on skype/forum and a lot of drama....again in OORP the cause is the bad coordination of "testing" IFFs and stuff.
P.S: I dont know but whatever tests you've done to cause the RP problems should never happen at this current base, at this important sector where a lot of players can pass and be shot at for no reason. I am sure there are quite a lot of ppl being shot by your base but they are not on forum, not giving a word about it or simply dont care. What if they were travelling for 2 hours and got shot for nothing by your base? Thats problematic cuz your base is not hidden but in very "Crowded" region of a high traffic system.
So you see...you take OORP responsibility for the destruction of all vessels (disrupting the fun of the players) and also inRP consequences (destruction of your base no matter how) because of that.
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - SummerMcLovin - 06-01-2013
(06-01-2013, 05:41 PM)Bootsiuv Wrote: Personally, I think Summer got the ish end of the stick in this as well, as he was only carrying out orders.I've already said to avoid this kind of argument, plenty of stupid things done while "just carrying out orders".
And Bootsiuv, don't take Alte seriously if you can help it.
I've got Skype logs as well, John - I took the base on the 9th of April after you'd /shop remove 01 all the commodities off it and left it to burn. So yes, I saved your base and kept it alive for the 6 weeks you were playing Star Trek Online.
Then for BP1:
[09/04/2013 04:51:36 PM] John | Luke Walker: lets say i gave it away to a guy that i know for all my life already
[09/04/2013 04:51:39 PM] John | Luke Walker: but
[09/04/2013 04:51:42 PM] John | Luke Walker: he cant do the rp part
[09/04/2013 04:51:49 PM] John | Luke Walker: he s just to stupid for english
(06-01-2013, 05:44 PM)jonnaffen747 Wrote: Summer wanted to let the 2ndary Pass I said hmm... Im unsure it's my base. He said this is an Term Also I agreed.[20/05/2013 04:26:39 PM] SummerMcLovin: If you keep Victoria as the BretGov's password (if it is that) then that will do
[20/05/2013 04:27:08 PM] SummerMcLovin: BPA IFF, that password, BPA) BAF| BIS| docking permissions all stay, and we're done (y)
[20/05/2013 04:27:17 PM] John | Luke Walker: ye
...and then some jokes about Victoria's Secret.
You had agreed to have us keep a password, which was the ooRP equivalent of the BPA presence on the base, along with being able to dock
"Accessible", in the base laws means docking permissions, not "give us a password" for most bases, as I've said here, to clarify against what Marcus said. This one was to keep control of the guns, and if necessary be a failsafe.
(06-01-2013, 05:44 PM)jonnaffen747 Wrote: I gaved him what he wanted cuz it was a term what he had said before (where i had thinked it was WC).The password was supposed to be there along with the docking permissions at all times. I already had a BPA ship on the base, and I had to ask for the password I should already have had to fix it. If I hadn't needed to ask for a password, I'd just have been clear to stop 'cleaning' your base of what was keeping it legal.
(06-01-2013, 05:44 PM)jonnaffen747 Wrote: He changed IFF all fine , deleted all commodities shooted at will on the base. He was Happy. I was in conn and trained while the time,As I've said already, I didn't ask for the password at the time to destroy it. You gave me the password around half 11, and was happy with the changes. Then the trolling etc. started in the Bret Lawful chat and I was getting wary of the situation.
[31/05/2013 05:49:15 PM] SummerMcLovin: One more mistake and I pull the plug on the base
Again, as I have said before, the main thing that tipped it was your 'joking' admission to trolling Thyr'zul on purpose.
(06-01-2013, 05:44 PM)jonnaffen747 Wrote: In the time he was on vacation i had changed the pass cuz i didnt trusted him, now i see this was a confirmed Feeling.This is news to me, I thought it was just you cleaning up the base?
(06-01-2013, 06:08 PM)jonnaffen747 Wrote: Summer Cried Around : LUKE YOU IDIOT WHY I CANT DOCK IM SITTING NOW LIKE 10 MINS AROUND AND CANT DOCK![/b]Wow, way to put words in my mouth:
[31/05/2013 01:22:49 PM] SummerMcLovin: You didn't even have BPA etc. with docking rights, good thing I was still docked there
[31/05/2013 01:23:13 PM] John | Luke Walker: Nah it is
[31/05/2013 01:23:28 PM] SummerMcLovin: No it wasn't
[31/05/2013 01:23:32 PM] SummerMcLovin: I had to re-add them all
[31/05/2013 01:23:32 PM] John | Luke Walker: One second lemme check , I may had cleaned something
[31/05/2013 01:23:39 PM] John | Luke Walker: Im working on all tags on first and 2nd base
[31/05/2013 01:23:40 PM] SummerMcLovin: Stop cleaning please
[31/05/2013 01:23:51 PM] SummerMcLovin: Just leave it as it is
(06-01-2013, 06:08 PM)jonnaffen747 Wrote: We just Spammed a bit around in the Lawful Chat to annoy Summer cuz he removed me one day before from the Chat and added me again so I could annoy him a bit. Also I think the destruction of this Installation was just cuz of Summers Feelings but this is just my opinion.Yup, you got it in one. Purely because you spammed a little in the Bretonia Lawful chat, I destroyed your base. From the amount of people who do that every day, I'd probably have earned "the baseslayer" as nickname since I'd have cleaned half of Sirius.
From your Skype PMs, you seem to think I've been going out of my way to punish you and only you, and then kick you while you're down. I destroyed the base because I expected it to be a problem later; I'm not looking to sanction you for 5.2 against Thyr'zul or anything like that, nor am I doing anything about Blackpool Production Facility (even though you thought I'd blown that up because of a visual bug).
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - jonnaffen747 - 06-01-2013
SKYPE LOGS OF OORP Agreement for that base :
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[20.05.2013 15:10:20] SummerMcLovin: Well is it just going to be used as it was intended - cargo and platforms?
[20.05.2013 15:10:30] John | Luke Walker: Yeah
[20.05.2013 15:13:17] John | Luke Walker: we wanna use it as HQ
[20.05.2013 15:13:27] SummerMcLovin: For who?
[20.05.2013 15:13:37] John | Luke Walker: AA|
[20.05.2013 15:13:51] SummerMcLovin: Is that your transport division, or the actual Able's Aces?
[20.05.2013 15:13:57] John | Luke Walker: the acctual
[20.05.2013 15:14:02] John | Luke Walker: you can ask chris about using it as HQ
[20.05.2013 15:14:05] John | Luke Walker: if you dont trust me
[20.05.2013 15:16:46] SummerMcLovin: Let me just confirm it with these new Details
[20.05.2013 15:17:24] John | Luke Walker: Tell, bretonia will get a pass to cuz , sometimes i go in holiday then i may know who i can ask
?[20.05.2013 15:17:39] SummerMcLovin: Well you can trust me with the password
-A bit later-
[20.05.2013 15:24:55] John | Luke Walker: Also, IFF just should stay BPA?
[20.05.2013 15:25:24] SummerMcLovin: Not that there are too many differences for BHG
[20.05.2013 15:25:59] John | Luke Walker: well thats okay
[20.05.2013 17:25:27] SummerMcLovin: Master password is *******
[20.05.2013 17:25:38] John | Luke Walker: ******* ?
[20.05.2013 17:25:54] SummerMcLovin: Of the BPA watering hole's café owner
[20.05.2013 17:26:03] John | Luke Walker: oh okay
[20.05.2013 17:26:05] SummerMcLovin: Only I know it, don't worry
-At day of it's destruction-
[31.05.2013 02:18:30] SummerMcLovin: Well so much for keeping the base as BPA IFF, and having ****** as a password.
[31.05.2013 02:18:40] SummerMcLovin: Let me know when you're actually going to keep to the agreements please
[31.05.2013 12:37:33] John | Luke Walker: new password is : Blumentopf , it's shared with USI , Sergey and You.
[31.05.2013 12:45:57] SummerMcLovin: I'll take a look, sure.
And the agreement was to keep it BPA IFF, and you're going to stick to that alright?
[31.05.2013 12:46:11] SummerMcLovin: Because anyone who can fly through without the gate shooting them won't have the base shooting them
[31.05.2013 12:46:12] John | Luke Walker: I have to rep me one BPA soon
[31.05.2013 12:46:17] SummerMcLovin: I'll do it when I log in
[31.05.2013 12:46:30] John | Luke Walker: Okay, your inRP Name is kent?
[31.05.2013 12:46:45] SummerMcLovin: Magnus Page
[31.05.2013 12:46:54] John | Luke Walker: Oh i flied with a BPA Kent a good pilot
[31.05.2013 12:47:06] John | Luke Walker: Just those Corsairs cloaked before we could fire last shot
[31.05.2013 12:47:06] SummerMcLovin: Kent is BAF I thought?
-Some conversation a bit later-
[31.05.2013 14:22:56] SummerMcLovin: You didn't even have BPA etc. with docking rights, good thing I was still docked there
[31.05.2013 14:23:21] John | Luke Walker: Nah it is
[31.05.2013 14:23:36] SummerMcLovin: No it wasn't
[31.05.2013 14:23:38] SummerMcLovin: I had to re-add them all
[31.05.2013 14:23:40] John | Luke Walker: One second lemme check , I may had cleaned something
[31.05.2013 14:23:46] John | Luke Walker: Im working on all tags on first and 2nd base
[31.05.2013 14:23:47] SummerMcLovin: Stop cleaning please
[31.05.2013 14:23:57] SummerMcLovin: Just leave it as it is, it's causing Trouble
[31.05.2013 14:24:01] John | Luke Walker: May was accidental
[31.05.2013 14:24:11] John | Luke Walker: Docking List :
- BPA)
- BAF|
- BIS|
- [BP]-
- HMS-
[31.05.2013 14:24:13] John | Luke Walker: these should be in
- Then he had begun blowing it up- Without any Prior warning you see, is this fair?
-After bases destruction -
[31.05.2013 20:35:34] John | Luke Walker: summer
[31.05.2013 20:35:37] John | Luke Walker: why you killed my base
[31.05.2013 20:35:49] John | Luke Walker: why you done that
[31.05.2013 20:35:50] SummerMcLovin: Listen to the conditions and don't be an idiot about it, alright.
[31.05.2013 20:35:58] John | Luke Walker: i didnt sold to burak you knnow
[31.05.2013 20:35:59] SummerMcLovin: Because you were purposely trolling [C] with it
[31.05.2013 20:36:03] John | Luke Walker: no i didnt
[31.05.2013 20:36:13] SummerMcLovin: You admitted it, and he had already told me about it
[31.05.2013 20:36:13] John | Luke Walker: you know that those base i spent in 4 billions?
[31.05.2013 20:36:30] SummerMcLovin: And you were going to sell it, and it was to be a toll base despite saying not to
[31.05.2013 20:36:36] John | Luke Walker: I WASNT
[31.05.2013 20:36:40] John | Luke Walker: i just trolled burak
[31.05.2013 20:36:52] SummerMcLovin: Well too bad. I'll return the billion you sent me
[31.05.2013 20:37:02] John | Luke Walker: awesome
[31.05.2013 20:37:03] John | Luke Walker: that helps
[31.05.2013 20:37:04] John | Luke Walker: ye
[31.05.2013 20:37:06] John | Luke Walker: my core 4 base down
[31.05.2013 20:37:10] John | Luke Walker: and then you give me 1 bil
[31.05.2013 20:37:12] John | Luke Walker: wow
[31.05.2013 20:37:13] SummerMcLovin: Because you messed around with it
[31.05.2013 20:37:16] John | Luke Walker: i didnt
[31.05.2013 20:37:21] SummerMcLovin: It was not in a position to be trusted
[31.05.2013 20:38:00] SummerMcLovin: It was a problem. I wanted to let you have your way, but it wasn't working
[31.05.2013 20:38:11] SummerMcLovin: I wish I didn't have to do it, but it was getting into a Problem
[31.05.2013 20:38:16] John | Luke Walker: Why you didnt asked me on Skype
[31.05.2013 20:38:22] John | Luke Walker: even i was goin tosell base for 1 bil to you
[31.05.2013 20:38:28] John | Luke Walker: before it gets destroyed
[31.05.2013 20:38:29] John | Luke Walker: but no
[31.05.2013 20:38:36] John | Luke Walker: you know how much work this base costed me
[31.05.2013 20:38:40] John | Luke Walker: 4 months
[31.05.2013 20:38:41] John | Luke Walker: of work
[31.05.2013 20:38:44] John | Luke Walker: and sergey too
[31.05.2013 20:38:46] John | Luke Walker: and all the Money
[31.05.2013 20:38:49] John | Luke Walker: that stupid base ate
[31.05.2013 20:38:58] John | Luke Walker: all i wanted
[31.05.2013 20:38:59] John | Luke Walker: was a bit rp
[31.05.2013 20:39:08] John | Luke Walker: but now base gone
[31.05.2013 20:39:13] John | Luke Walker: it cant get back
[31.05.2013 20:39:14] John | Luke Walker: its lost
[31.05.2013 20:39:16] John | Luke Walker: thank you summer
-So much talking etc summer just ignored me and repeated the same it was a Problem the base-
[31.05.2013 21:02:40] SummerMcLovin: [07:58:40 PM] Soul Reaper: lol look at summer
[07:58:44 PM] Soul Reaper: acting like he cares
[07:58:47 PM] Soul Reaper: poor noob
[07:59:17 PM] SummerMcLovin: Fuck off Reaper. I do care
[07:59:38 PM] Soul Reaper: am I supposed to laugh ?
[07:59:43 PM] Soul Reaper: "I care so much about the guy THAT I BURNED HIS BASE DOWN LOL"
[08:00:25 PM] SummerMcLovin: I care enough to know he is clearly upset and to recognise it was a dick move
[08:00:39 PM] Soul Reaper: but you did it anyway, summer ?
[08:00:44 PM] SummerMcLovin: Doesn't matter if I have a reason, but it still is
Those logs are valid.
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - Havok - 06-01-2013
Your Skype log Proves... Nothing. He gave you a reason why we did it and he gave you 1 Billion Back. It shows that he did inform you.
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - jonnaffen747 - 06-01-2013
He didnt informed me where, Show me on the logs?
Ah ye he done this becuz of spamming in lawful Chat a bit?
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - Marcus - 06-01-2013
(06-01-2013, 06:08 PM)jonnaffen747 Wrote: The Station was acctualy defined as an BHG Installation and since the inRP Agreement of this just Summer on Skype and me talked ooRPly. It was something like ''It would be better if you hold it to BPA becuz the repsheet you know...''This doesn't change anything. You were asked to keep the IFF as BPA, not on a whim but for some very good reasons, to which you agreed to keep it as BPA. Suddenly changing it without warning, while not in itself deserves the destruction of the base, was apart of a series of events that caused a lack of trust.
As for the next two sections, from what I gather you're saying that on 4 separate occasions when you were; Organizing the docking list permissions, Summer JUST happened to want to dock at that time, and when you were testing the weapon platforms (for which I still don't understand why you felt that you HAD to use your BHG) that over a period of a few days for the three times which you changed the settings that a ship JUST happened to be passing through? At times, by your own admission, when the server count was low. And not three separate ships but the same ship twice? The probability of such seems a little far fetched. A quick search brings a quote which conveys my opinion on the matter: "Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action."
As for your Jokes...it can be hard to know when people are being serious or not when you're just looking at text. Alone it might've seen the be a joke and left alone but combined with the other actions it seems much more threatening. While Skype is oorp what is said there does reflect on a persons character and intent, Discovery isn't just about purely what can be proved in comm posts and screen shots, it's also about trust. If you don't trust someone, for whatever reason, then no matter how nicely they present their case or reason their argument you still might not believe them.
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - Duvelske - 06-01-2013
As some might have known the Freeport XXI was the same way deconstructed. Ok there was then no admin/mod involved, but it was done the same way. None the less its in the past and it was closed for me and the others involved.
So i suggest to the green goblins in here and not only them but also all involved into this matter to do the following:
- restore that base
- RP its deconstruction or let the owner try to solve it inRP
- while the negotiations happen you could block transports for supplies or whatever you RP
- if it will then be destroyed at least the owner does not feel offended and maybe as now attacked by a whole group as i guess he might feel like this.
I think summer might be able to agree with it or not.. thats just something which HE and the base admin Jonaffen has to discus. Its only a win, win situation and generates maybe even some RP fun.. And might motivate more people to do more RP on forums as well ingame. Or you all want to promote the 2 mill or dai folks out there.. or what i have last seen 50 mill or dai..
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - Havok - 06-01-2013
He Informed you of why it was done. Do you not read your own Skypelogs? Its not that hard to figure out. You're dragging this into useless infinity. He gave you a billion, and the rest is up to the Admins. I dont even know why this thread is still open.