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Discovery mod v.4.79 bugs&suggestions - Korrd - 01-26-2006
f2k,Jan 26 2006, 06:28 PM Wrote:But wont upgrading the capital ships make fighters obsolete?Not invinvible. A single fighter should have very little chance to take down a BS, but a group of, say, 3-4 fighter should be able to do it. I dont like the idea of expending 200mill on a bs just to be owned by a 10mill fighter.
Dont get me wrong, Im all for making capital ships nearly invincible in a fight against a fighter. Im just worrying that everybody will start flying capital ships instead of fighters. We need a way to make it worthwhile for a capital ship to keep a few fighters around.
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Discovery mod v.4.79 bugs&suggestions - marauder - 01-27-2006
f2k,Jan 26 2006, 07:27 PM Wrote:I havent kept track of what direction I got hit by the missiles. Only thing I know is that a group of four to six Corsairs equipped with disruption missiles completely prevented me from going to cruise mode. Every time I tried to charge my cruise engine, there were multiple incoming missiles. And no matter how many countermeasures I dropped, I got disrupted anyway.
Now, I was flying a Gunboat, so this wasnt really dangerous (I eventually got feed up with this and blasted them). However, when flying smaller ships, this can be absolutely devastating. With disruption missiles working so effective, a small group of fighters can effectively keep you pinned in place while hammering away at you. And unless youre within relatively short distance of a base, a tradelane, or a gate youre dead.
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Er there is a major problem with this statement.
There are NO gunboats with a Counter Measure mount.
The only cap-ship with extra equipment mounts (that is Cruise Disrupter, Mine, Counter Measure and Torpedo mounts) is the huegenot.
So what ship are you talking about?
You do however have a point. At the minute, for some reason, it is extremely hard to run from Borderworld (Outcasts and Corsairs) Pirates unless they get distracted by other enemies.
It doesnt matter what ship you have or what tricks/stunts etc you try, the only way to get clear of Outcasts and Corsairs with Cruise Distrupters is to kill them all, which means you risk getting mobbed when they call for help.
Discovery mod v.4.79 bugs&suggestions - Kane - 01-27-2006
I think i'm in agreement that some of the bigger ships need some equipment, such as Countermeasures, mines, and possibly torps. The torps would have to have some disadvantages however, like being really slow and have zero tracking ability, or little turning ability, or something along those lines.
Now, with the fighters becomeing obsolete, there isn't much danger there. The Battleship, while possibly never quite able to get that annoying fighter, shouldn't be considered just a traget. Battleships are the terror of the void in any Sci-Fi series/movie/game/comic. Hence, why i'm distressed that the Battleship is just a big target to any ace pilot with Novas.
However, all this power comes at a pirce; the Battleship is slow, handles with all the grace and agility of a brick, and is enormous. They're restricted to tradelanes, planets, and stations, with all other places becoming unaccessable to them. This is where cruisers come in, generaly able to get into those asteroid fields and scrap yards the battleships are barred from (unless you like bouncing for 20 minutes then getting hopelessly stuck).
I guess my main problem is that any single fool with Novas can take down a battleship. Notice, single. You would need at least a wing or two of fighters to take one on, much less down (wings being around 4 or 5 fighters)! So, if anything could be done to make it impossible if not suicidal to take on a Battleship (possibly cruiser) single handedly, I think I would be ok.
Discovery mod v.4.79 bugs&suggestions - Dab - 01-27-2006
I agree with everything Kane just said. The only thing that should be able to kill a battleship by itself other than another cap-ship is the Rheinland bomber with novas and Tizonas with an ace pilot. Other than that you would need 2 or more fighters to take it out.
As an example if anyone has read star wars books it takes approximately 20 proton torpedoes to take down a Star Destroyers shield. then it would take another 28-35 to cripple the ship. The star destroyer would be like the RH BS, and the proton torps would be like the Sunslayer torps. Given that novas do about 5 times more than sunslayers we should need about 4 to take down a shield and six to seven to take down its hull and this is without armor upgrades. To take down a battleship that has armor upgrade of VII a fighter should need 30-40 novas in total to kill it if it also has shield/nano-bots.
Also about the Outcasts and Corsairs disrupting your engines is normal. Those two factions are supposed to be the most elite pilots in the galaxy, and have the best weaponry. I agree with Igiss' plan to give them hornets. A person's last resort is to run not to turn and fight. You fight first then run.
Discovery mod v.4.79 bugs&suggestions - Virus - 01-27-2006
You all remember the super freighter idea, right?
Well... What if its costs somewhere between 40-100 million, I think as close to 100 million as possible.
Also, make if have VERY weak weapons, I mean class5 at the tops, and a little less hull than the Large Train.
A super-tanker CAN cost as much as a Battleship, and it is easy to destroy. If you look, they also have NO guns, so I think weak guns would make sense here.
EDIT: If anyone has a good model..... I guess post a link. :\
Discovery mod v.4.79 bugs&suggestions - Constantine - 01-27-2006
Will there be buyable Battleship, Cruiser and Gunboat sheilds in 4.79?
Discovery mod v.4.79 bugs&suggestions - Gwynzer - 01-27-2006
*idea*
i am sure i have seen a Mod before where you can get "auto Turrets" These Turrets arwe Basicly NPC's with the same rep as the player. Whenever you Took a misisons or Bribed someone you had to log out then back in so they have the same rep. i think they would be cool addons for Capships because then you can kill a fair few guys at a time. The only Drawback would be when facing another Player.
Discovery mod v.4.79 bugs&suggestions - f2k - 01-27-2006
marauder,Jan 27 2006, 01:18 AM Wrote:There are NO gunboats with a Counter Measure mount.
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Arghhh! Note to self do not post on forums after midnight :nono:
Ermm, Ill try again. I was flying a Liberty Gunboat when I was repeatedly hit by Corsairs with disruption missiles. Being completely unable to enter cruise-mode, I finally decided to simply blast them out of the sky.
My experiences with countermeasures come from flying the fighters from the original game.
Rereading my post, I can see where the confusion comes from sorry
Does it make sense now?
And while were at it: why are the big ships not able to mount a countermeasure launcher? Not that it matters (theyre completely useless anyway), Im just curious
Virus,Jan 27 2006, 08:36 AM Wrote:A super-tanker CAN cost as much as a Battleship, and it is easy to destroy. If you look, they also have NO guns, so I think weak guns would make sense here.
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I must say that, if you make the turrets even weaker than those on the Trains, then you might just as well forget about them. The turrets on the Trains are, IMHO, completely useless against anything heavier than a medium fighter. They are certainly not much use against VHFs
Discovery mod v.4.79 bugs&suggestions - The Damned - 01-27-2006
Can I suggets the engine colour of the titan and the BH ships to be changed to red... beacause the NPC's ships have red engines , and I think that its not right the player controlled ship to differ from the NPC controlled.
Discovery mod v.4.79 bugs&suggestions - marauder - 01-27-2006
Kane,Jan 26 2006, 11:44 PM Wrote:Hence, why i'm distressed that the Battleship is just a big target to any ace pilot with Novas.
I guess my main problem is that any single fool with Novas can take down a battleship. Notice, single. You would need at least a wing or two of fighters to take one on, much less down (wings being around 4 or 5 fighters)! So, if anything could be done to make it impossible if not suicidal to take on a Battleship (possibly cruiser) single handedly, I think I would be ok.
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Dab,Jan 27 2006, 12:16 AM Wrote:I agree with everything Kane just said. The only thing that should be able to kill a battleship by itself other than another cap-ship is the Rheinland bomber with novas and Tizonas with an ace pilot. Other than that you would need 2 or more fighters to take it out.
As an example if anyone has read star wars books it takes approximately 20 proton torpedoes to take down a Star Destroyers shield. then it would take another 28-35 to cripple the ship. The star destroyer would be like the RH BS, and the proton torps would be like the Sunslayer torps. Given that novas do about 5 times more than sunslayers we should need about 4 to take down a shield and six to seven to take down its hull and this is without armor upgrades. To take down a battleship that has armor upgrade of VII a fighter should need 30-40 novas in total to kill it if it also has shield/nano-bots.
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Ok, so does this mean that to make BS's and other cap-ships more survivable we need to remove the Nova Torpedos from the game?
I would make sense to me. A RH Bomber with codenames, salamanca turrets and sunslayer torpedos would be the best option for killing any cap-ship.
Without a wing to help you that is.