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Corsair - Zoner - Klaw117 - 02-05-2012
Despite being a Corsair, I stayed out of this topic. However, after witnessing the events today, I can't ignore this any longer. The latest raid that started just an hour ago was the biggest load of OORP that I've ever seen. Zoners, Hessians, Outcasts, and the GMG (yes, the GMG) actively allied, came to Omicron Gamma from Omicron Theta, and attacked us near Skiros Station. The Freeports' neutrality is being taken advantage of and needs to stop NOW. Every time I go on my Corsair character, there is a raid going on, usually by the Hessians or the SCRA. If we shoot them down, then Outcasts march in. If we shoot them down, then mercenaries come in. Then the raid gets dragged on for hours while we try to defend Crete from endless waves of attackers coming in from the Freeports.
The problem is that Zoners appear to be actively fighting this. We ask them to simply stop our enemies from basing their attacks from the Freeports (and we're willing to be denied landing privileges from the Freeports as well), but they don't listen. Now some of them are deciding to take up arms against us. This is ridiculous. Zoners aren't supposed to pick sides, but that's exactly what they're doing.
Pictures from today's raid if anyone's interested:
http://imageshack.us/f/818/screen1bq.png/
Zoner attacking a Corsair.
http://imageshack.us/f/607/screen3ic.png/
GMG and RHA together. Seriously, how is this even possible!?
http://imageshack.us/f/21/screen7ul.png/
Outcast landing on a Freeport after fighting us (read the chat). This needs to stop.
http://imageshack.us/f/15/screen8wn.png/
More GMG-RHA cooperation (more RHA showed up on scanners at the bottom left), along with some comment that Zoners are actively supporting these raids, although I don't know how reliable this comment is.
Corsair - Zoner - Klaw117 - 02-05-2012
EDIT: Sorry, double post. The forums lagged on me and I hit the Submit Post button a few times more than I should have.
Corsair - Zoner - Tabris - 02-05-2012
Heh, luckily SCRA doesn't USE the freeports around Gamma.:DO-52 is only acouple jumps away so NP.:)
Corsair - Zoner - globalplayer-svk - 02-06-2012
what is making me sad is that as klaw typed
we destroy one wawe, another come...
and i am more as sure that lot of players just switch chars to get PvP again ...
but you know, corsairs will never suffer... only who will loose from this are zoners because they are showing more and more people that their neutrality is gone ....
EDIT:
and these big lovers (GMG+RHA+OUTCAST+ZONERS+BOUNTY HUNTERS+ALL) that are attacking gamma all together,,, have you even readed your own ids or reputations who is your enemy ? :)
because it is funny to have in one wawe of attack bounty hutners together with hessians ....
Corsair - Zoner - Reacher - 02-06-2012
Klaw's point just goes to show why all three Corsair factions should blanket bounty all Zoners with Specific Bonuses for killing Traders and TAZ and OSI.
Wouldn't take much effort to snap the spines of those factions.
Corsair - Zoner - Stygian - 02-06-2012
' Wrote:Klaw's point just goes to show why all three Corsair factions should blanket bounty all Zoners with Specific Bonuses for killing Traders and TAZ and OSI.
Wouldn't take much effort to snap the spines of those factions.
Go for it :cool:
Corsair - Zoner - DAnvilFan - 02-06-2012
' Wrote:Look, you can blame the Omicroners all you want for this problem, but that is just another cop out. We have been asking for FR5s against people abusing the Freeports for a long time. The Zoner factions would not do it, that is not only the Omincroners but the TAZ and OSI as well.
I didn't want to entangle myself in the cluster**** that is this thread, but feel the need to clear a few things:
A year ago when Corsair-Omicroner relations reached their hostile peak, Omicroners gathered all of the footage of hostilities between the two factions on the server, submitted them as evidence to the Admins to get an FR5 and were rejected.
We decided that if we could not get an FR5 against a faction that destroyed a Freeport (the Nine), other factions surely did not deserve it.
Corsair - Zoner - AshHill07 - 02-06-2012
Although not in any of the mentioned factions myself I have been watching this for a while now and seeing how it progresses. It is worrying me a bit too how quickly this has escalated and how much people are willing to ignore direct orders from superiors if it means they can get a bit of a fight going. Its mostly things like this that worry me because it is essentially trolling. It does seem to me that the Zoner faction leaders are trying to prevent an all out war but as posts on this topic and others previously mentioned its obvious people are just ignoreing the RP to get into PvP.
Corsair - Zoner - Slavik - 02-06-2012
As both a corsair and zoner freeport administrator this situation gets boring. The corsairs need the zoner freeports in the area as much as the zoners there need the corsairs.
The corsairs use Freeport 5 as their cover ID, a lot of smugglers used to base themselves out of freeport 5 as a cover. The zoners need the corsairs for their o2 and water. And lets face it, for the hessians its also a supply source other then stealing it from Rheinland or getting it somewhere else in Rheinland.
Lets face it, I dont come into your house, smack your mother and then go hide at your neighbours without them knowing. That is how it is right now.
Some factions understand that due to diplomacy they can not base their forces out of a freeport to go raid/pirate/kill others near it.
Corsairs don't use freeport 1 as a piracy base. Freeport 4 is not used as a base for hackers. Xenos and Unioners dont use freeport 2 and neither do the navies. You won't see corsairs docking on Fp10 and staging raids from there (others might, I know).
The only bases that suffer from these problems are Freeport 5, 9 and corfu base. If everybody would just think a tiny bit they'd understand that you only see Bounty hunters base themselves there(lore wise). Heck I'd even go as far as saying, sure a few mercs. Why not.
However, they should know damn well that running to these bases whilst getting shot at would get the defences of the base in their face as well. Lore wise there is a no-fire zone and people should get that!
FR5'ing is a viable solution for people that break the NFZ and if the "zoner factions" would be willing to get that done there would be no problem at all. Heck, if there is another way for zoners to FR5 people it would've been a lot easier.
Lets face it, lorewise this conflict makes no sense, lore wise this problem would not exist!
Corsair - Zoner - spikefin - 02-06-2012
' Wrote:Klaw's point just goes to show why all three Corsair factions should blanket bounty all Zoners with Specific Bonuses for killing Traders and TAZ and OSI.
Wouldn't take much effort to snap the spines of those factions.
Um your the guy that keeps stating TBH has our full support?
"We ask them to simply stop our enemies from basing their attacks from the Freeports"
Umm... TBH are Corsairs, Corsairs accept them in there space, TBH Issue KoS orders, Your Corsair freinds openly like running around the forums saying things like "We support THB 110%"
As for the raid's Obviously some people agreed with the zoners carrying it out, or they wouldn't be there, But also note, Alot of people disagreed.
Including myself.
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?ac...10#entry1685740
Its a private com, but my understanding is your allowed to read it, just your character can't know it.
Its definatly a conundrum. Caused as much by zoners as Corsairs and TBH.
"However, they should know damn well that running to these bases whilst getting shot at would get the defences of the base in their face as well. Lore wise there is a no-fire zone and people should get that!
FR5'ing is a viable solution for people that break the NFZ and if the "zoner factions" would be willing to get that done there would be no problem at all. Heck, if there is another way for zoners to FR5 people it would've been a lot easier. "
As i have pointed out more than once, the termination of Freeport NFZ's is disgusting, But so is your claim you will stop entire factions. Yep, that's what you said. Thats not neutrality in any way shape or form, Even if a whole faction of players break our rules, every one of the should be dealt with, but any new characters, shouldn't be blanketed by a zoner.
And did I read right, Your a zoner, and a Corsair?
To me If Corsairs are that bothered about rule enforcment, Why dont they role a zoner, take on the base, and abide by zoner ways and try and deal with the issue?
Same reason zoners canned NFZ's to much hard (paper)work.
If Corsairs can play a better zoner, come teach us.
"Lets face it, lorewise this conflict makes no sense, lore wise this problem would not exist!"
Agreeded 100% but many others disagree if they agreed, this wouldn't happen, as faction rules bind factions to NPC's and there lore.
When i used to play, I remember the lore was heavily "Patrolled" Obviously the lore is more objective now-a-days.
"but you know, corsairs will never suffer... only who will loose from this are zoners because they are showing more and more people that their neutrality is gone ...."
umm yeah, some zoners are deviating from the path, But objectively, so are the TBH and Corsairs who side with them.
Have you ever tried to be neutral? Its actually pretty dang hard. And guess what, Under these circumstances its down right impossible.
Like litrally, Its not possible. Show me a zoner playing true neutrality now that the Corsairs and TBH have taken there stances?
I only just saw a zoner battleship threaten another zoner for exercising his freedom. I saw a zoner initiate contact on a corsair, I saw a TBH corsair fly by a zoner weapons platform with no shot fired (Supposed to be repped red to zoner if you declare all out KoS hostilities as they have) I saw a zoner Blow up a corsair, dock at a freeport, and come out a Corsair(even had just about same name, and when asked wtf, said its all good, im that zoner), And all im doing is sitting idly by at a Freeport.
Saw a BH dock, A Freelanced ID in a BWF with zoner IFF dock, Saw like 20 - 30 freelancers, BH's ect come through O-74 and guess what, despite my hails, not even a line (Did have a nice chat with a few zoners though, both for and against aggression)
I saw a Corsair fly into O-74, take a cruise, and leave.
Saw a group of id guess 10 - 20 Corsairs Fly right past my FP as well, I can only guess what they were upto.
Show me all the players that are obiding by any lore, RP because of this conflict.