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RE: First DIY Build - Govedo13 - 10-03-2013
If you put OS (Win 7 + basic programs -around 70GB) and your Games on SSD one 256 GB should do the trick.
Extreme overclocking might damage your components indeed, normal overclocking of well balanced setup is ok for everyday use. About the RAM I agree with Snap.
In general if you spend around 1350 $ you would get nice well rounded PC. Also the case that you want to buy is a winner- really good one.
RE: First DIY Build - Tankman - 10-03-2013
(10-03-2013, 06:54 PM)Govedo13 Wrote: If you put OS (Win 7 + basic programs -around 70GB) and your Games on SSD one 256 GB should do the trick.1. ~250 GB is fairly pricey for a SSD, costing as much as 300 dollars in my experience. Though I might consider getting a ~10 GB one for placing Windows on.
Extreme overclocking might damage your components indeed, normal overclocking of well balanced setup is ok for everyday use. About the RAM I agree with Snap.
In general if you spend around 1350 $ you would get nice well rounded PC. Also the case that you want to buy is a winner- really good one.
2. The higher end RAM chips cost around $600 for two 8 gig pieces. As I have stated before it seems the Hanger Mod for Star Citizen requires at least 8 (If someone could confirm otherwise I would appreciate it).
RE: First DIY Build - Govedo13 - 10-03-2013
The Hangar Mode indeed requires at least 8 GB:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/hangar-module
My C://Windows System Folder is 28,7 GB. I am using 7 Pro.
I doubt that you have any chance to pack Win7 and common programs in less then 50 GB. The idea about the SSD is not only to put OS on it but your games as well because SSD boosts really your gaming experience.
If your budget does not allow you to buy SSD don't waste your money on something that is not that useful. 10GB paging might be not so bad but still better to safe a bit and buy the real thing.
RE: First DIY Build - Narcotic - 10-04-2013
As for the SSD's size; 120GB is enough. I use one and only 30GB are occupied by W7 Home Premium (17,5) & programs. So basically, I've got 80GB free space on it all the time. Which I periodically use for specific games which benefit from the SSD's speed. Just never store any other data but programs and system files on it. At best try to have as little writings as possible on it, to ensure it's durability.
Also, not all games benefit from SSDs (except for loading times which are fast enough on a HDD, too). Only games with large maps/worlds like Fallout, Skyrim, BF, GTA or WoW do actually run better on a SSD (since they load game files faster). On the other hand, most FPS like CoD don't really need the speed, because the maps are already fully loaded. Therefore I wouldn't install every game on your SSD, because it's just a waste of space and reduces the SSD's lifetime on a long-term view.
And never never defrag your SSD. At best turn all those search & defrag services off in the first place to reduce the constant writings. And make sure to enable AHCI mode in your bios before installing your OS on it.
(10-03-2013, 10:32 PM)Tankman Wrote: 1. ~250 GB is fairly pricey for a SSD, costing as much as 300 dollars in my experience. Though I might consider getting a ~10 GB one for placing Windows on.
It's actually 160 $.
Though, the 120GB for 75 $ is just perfect. I'm more than happy with mine.
RE: First DIY Build - Tankman - 10-04-2013
(10-03-2013, 11:43 PM)Govedo13 Wrote: My C://Windows System Folder is 28,7 GB. I am using 7 Pro.Forgot how huge Windows is.
(10-04-2013, 12:07 AM)Narcotic Wrote: As for the SSD's size; 120GB is enough. I use one and only 30GB are occupied by W7 Home Premium (17,5) & programs. So basically, I've got 80GB free space on it all the time. Which I periodically use for specific games which benefit from the SSD's speed. Just never store any other data but programs and system files on it. At best try to have as little writings as possible on it, to ensure it's durability.Interesting info.
Also, not all games benefit from SSDs (except for loading times which are fast enough on a HDD, too). Only games with large maps/worlds like Fallout, Skyrim, BF, GTA or WoW do actually run better on a SSD (since they load game files faster). On the other hand, most FPS like CoD don't really need the speed, because the maps are already fully loaded. Therefore I wouldn't install every game on your SSD, because it's just a waste of space and reduces the SSD's lifetime on a long-term view.
And never never defrag your SSD. At best turn all those search & defrag services off in the first place to reduce the constant writings. And make sure to enable AHCI mode in your bios before installing your OS on it.
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It's actually 160 $.
Also America is more expensive
EDIT: Did a AMD build for the heck of it.
RE: First DIY Build - lIceColon - 10-04-2013
(10-04-2013, 01:22 AM)Tankman Wrote: EDIT: Did a AMD build for the heck of it.
Don't use amd. the fx-8350's performance is only slightly better than the likes of i5 3570/3670 in multithreading (but sucks in singlethreaded performance), but has almost twice the power consumption, so will require better psu than intel.
as for ssd you could still get a cheap 60gb one and only use it for your OS and that one game you're currently playing - your average 7200rpm 3.5" is plenty fast for most programs and games.
RE: First DIY Build - Tankman - 10-04-2013
(10-04-2013, 02:29 AM)lIceColon Wrote:It was just a build to see what it would cost.(10-04-2013, 01:22 AM)Tankman Wrote: EDIT: Did a AMD build for the heck of it.
Don't use amd. the fx-8350's performance is only slightly better than the likes of i5 3570/3670 in multithreading (but sucks in singlethreaded performance), but has almost twice the power consumption, so will require better psu than intel.
Note that I'm not actually buying anything until I finalize my list.
RE: First DIY Build - Narcotic - 10-04-2013
(10-04-2013, 01:22 AM)Tankman Wrote:(10-04-2013, 12:07 AM)Narcotic Wrote: It's actually 160 $.Interesting info.
Also America is more expensive
Well, it's 90$ then...
As said - 120GB will do the job. No need to waste 130$ more for the 256GB version.
Oh and why wasting 200$ on the W7 Home Premium, if you can get an OEM version for just 90$?
RE: First DIY Build - Tankman - 10-04-2013
(10-04-2013, 05:04 AM)Narcotic Wrote: Oh and why wasting 200$ on the W7 Home Premium, if you can get an OEM version for just 90$?2 reasons...
1. I'm nervous that I won't be able to use 32 bit programs on the 64 bit version of it (I heard that the 64 bit version isn't backwards compatable with said programs).
2. OEM is tied to the motherboard. Thus if it breaks, I will loose windows. Also I can transfer the full version to anouther computer (As long as I uninstall on the old one first).
RE: First DIY Build - Narcotic - 10-04-2013
(10-04-2013, 01:22 AM)Tankman Wrote: 2 reasons...
1. I'm nervous that I won't be able to use 32 bit programs on the 64 bit version of it (I heard that the 64 bit version isn't backwards compatable with said programs).
2. OEM is tied to the motherboard. Thus if it breaks, I will loose windows. Also I can transfer the full version to anouther computer (As long as I uninstall on the old one first).
1. I can assure you that it doesn't make any difference if you use 32 bit programs on your 64 bit OS. The good thing about the 64 bit is, that it can address more than 4GB RAM (32 bit), and therefore, programs with 64 bit will run better (Home Premium supports up to 16GB. Pro, Enterprise and Ultimate even 192GB RAM
).There's absolutely no drawback in using 32 bit programs on a 64 bit OS. And since you'll have 16GB RAM, it'd be just stupid to run a 32 bit OS.
2. I've bought an OEM W7 for 60€ and somehow I do use it on multiple computers/mainboards (yes, I activated my key). I once read that it works with 3 different machines. Whatever, it's your money. But even if you were right, I wouldn't waste 110$ just for the risk of the mainboard breaking.