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RE: The great Guard system cull - Narcotic - 07-29-2014
Rogue guy here. Firstly, I haven't talked with the PLR and my HC yet, so this is just a very personal opinion and not final.
I agree with Evo, that sharing a system with the Xenos might be problematic and pointless. However, I'd be okay with cutting Cassini and move its bases (not all of them) to more useful locations. Currently there's 8 stations in Cassini;
Asteroid station. I'd love to see it moved inside an asteroid field in Colorado. Maybe just near the current jumphole to Cassini in Colorado or alike. Or remove it.
Since they're Destroyers, hence moveable ships/stations, it could be justified (in roleplay) that they get moved somewhere else. They could be used as snub-only hideouts in either Colorado, California, Ontario or Texas I think. Just like the one in New York. I really like the concept of having dockable NPC ships.
DSE Junker station. Has a roleplay value because of that anomaly nearby. Still not my task to decide for it.
Can be removed. Doesn't even sell ships.
Shipyard of the Rogues. Should probably stay. My suggestion would be to either hide it very well in the Badlands or Alberta, considering that it's the only system, that is mostly controlled by Rogues.
Junker base. No idea what its purpose was. I think it had something to do with the Rogue dread and its broken engines. However, that roleplay is finished.
Can be removed. PLR finished its roleplay and SRP'd it. The NPC station serves no more purpose now. Or connect it with the shipyard in case people want to keep it.
I'll edit this post in case I get more input from my members. Also, as said, this is just my opinion. I haven't talked with PLR about the changes/ideas yet.
I agree with Evo, that sharing a system with the Xenos might be problematic and pointless. However, I'd be okay with cutting Cassini and move its bases (not all of them) to more useful locations. Currently there's 8 stations in Cassini;
Attica Station
Asteroid station. I'd love to see it moved inside an asteroid field in Colorado. Maybe just near the current jumphole to Cassini in Colorado or alike. Or remove it.
Destroyer Graviton
Destroyer Quietly Confident
Destroyer Quietly Confident
Since they're Destroyers, hence moveable ships/stations, it could be justified (in roleplay) that they get moved somewhere else. They could be used as snub-only hideouts in either Colorado, California, Ontario or Texas I think. Just like the one in New York. I really like the concept of having dockable NPC ships.
Foster Base
DSE Junker station. Has a roleplay value because of that anomaly nearby. Still not my task to decide for it.
San Quentin Base
Can be removed. Doesn't even sell ships.
The Nonsense Factory
Shipyard of the Rogues. Should probably stay. My suggestion would be to either hide it very well in the Badlands or Alberta, considering that it's the only system, that is mostly controlled by Rogues.
Toplita Base
Junker base. No idea what its purpose was. I think it had something to do with the Rogue dread and its broken engines. However, that roleplay is finished.
Another Fine Product From The Nonsense Factory
Can be removed. PLR finished its roleplay and SRP'd it. The NPC station serves no more purpose now. Or connect it with the shipyard in case people want to keep it.
I'll edit this post in case I get more input from my members. Also, as said, this is just my opinion. I haven't talked with PLR about the changes/ideas yet.
RE: The great Guard system cull - Echo 7-7 - 07-29-2014
(07-29-2014, 12:45 PM)AlphaWolf215 Wrote: I am asking, as BAF| 2iC, for information regarding assets in Salisbury please, if there are any plans already that is...
Thankfully, Salisbury is a mostly barren system, so it's just a manner of finding a quiet corner of Bretonia to move the two bases. Cambridge is currently a good candidate; Manchester is an alternative.
(07-29-2014, 12:56 PM)Ponge Wrote: "Puerto Rico - de-Guard, revise layout, receive Humboldt assets"
This means Humboldt will be cut? And the ore fields?
Also, Junkers are using their guard system more than all other factions combined; if the lack of activity is the reasoning behind deleting the Guard systems, then Puerto Rico should be left alone, logically. Humboldt could be merged into Kansas.
Primarily, it's that many, if not all, Guard systems were not designed in a manner that adhered well to the overall lore continuity (Tau-65 and Londonderry are examples of pretty bad offenders). Secondarily, they dilute activity in non-Guard systems simply by virtue of their being more systems in the mod. Lastly, the poorly-regulated designs cause unnecessary mod bloat, by virtue of having more bases than needed in many cases.
Anyway, the key point here is that Humboldt is a pretty bland system, and ought to be merged with one of its neighbours. PR basically has a whole lot of empty space in the western half of the system, which could be ripe for repurposing once the unrealistically-placed neutron star is removed. (Alternatively, the neutron star stays and the system gets a whole lot more dangerous...). Merging Humboldt into Kansas remains an option, and would probably serve to generate a fair bit more activity for the system - which is not a bad thing at all - but PR still has no reason to remain a Guard system, when it could be opened up and made far more interesting, while retaining a secure corner of the system in which to hide the shipyard.
(07-29-2014, 01:48 PM)Moriarty. Wrote: Cool work
Also, any news relating to scaling Zeta, and other very large Omicron systems?
Not in this thread. Keep an eye open for Treewyrm's updates.
(07-29-2014, 01:57 PM)Ndk071 Wrote: Cutting out the Guard systems is nice, though in Braunschweigs case it connected to further Systems, where will these Jumpholes lead now or where will we find access to these jumpholes?
In the case of Battleship Moselle, I'll talk with my colleagues about it and then decide if we would like input in where it is moved, along with the station in there.
and in Londonderry, there are multiple stations which belong to the mollys, including a fully blown shipyard. Where will these go?
P.S.S.: Ohmygawd Conspiracy against all militaries but LN 8|
JH changes are determined on a case-by-case basis.
As for 'derry, location is all TBC. Some to move, some to delete.
You could say it'll be... fully blown (up).
(07-29-2014, 02:24 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: 1st IC of IMG| speaking on behalf of T39:
We do not have a problem with losing Tau 39.
However, many in my faction find that Tau 44 is even more superfluous.
Therefore I offer 3 approaches:
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I'm sticking with the merge-into-T39 option because it'll probably give me the least amount of headache. The rest of the Taus are just too crowded to receive any more bases, either IMG or GRN.
(07-29-2014, 02:39 PM)Evo Wrote: Do not cut Alabama.
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Keep in mind that the new Cassini would look nothing like it does now. I've been brainstorming ideas about how this could work, and the best idea I've come up with so far is essentially having the two factions in opposite corners of the system with a no-man's-land in between.
However, if that's not going to work out at all, another solution could be reached, provided it fulfills the minimum criteria of one system being de-guarded, and the other being cut; in other words, Cassini's bases would be broken up and Alabama would be opened. Alabama's layout would be revised, and there would be at least one hostile base present.
The main issue is that I don't want to put the Nonsense Factory in Alberta or New York, and a hidden corner of space further from the core worlds is ideal; this change would leave only Alabama as a suitable candidate. It would still be in a remote corner of the system.
(07-29-2014, 03:09 PM)Zayne Carrick Wrote: I'd really like to know, what will happen with Omega-54. (and make some input aswell)
It's top secret.
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Spoiler(07-29-2014, 03:21 PM)Panzer Wrote: About the taus, what about the smaller loop? T42 and Tottori FA/Hog respectively.
And Dragons' T63 - why is it even called a tau now that its connection to 65 is severed? #remove and make use of Ryukyu and Kyoto more as equipment shops.
Get with the times before posting. Damn zombie vets...
RE: The great Guard system cull - Panzer - 07-29-2014
Also, I'd go with erasing 44 and 39 both.
Damn devs, screwing with the game and then complaining about how much fixing is needed.
RE: The great Guard system cull - Ponge - 07-29-2014
(07-29-2014, 04:29 PM)Echo 7-7 Wrote: (Alternatively, the neutron star stays and the system gets a whole lot more dangerous...).
Please keep the neutron star/The Rift, as Congress uses it for RP (or we plan to use it, ask the boss for more details, please). Some time ago there was a discussion what to keep: the Rift, or Planet Bosque. If you have to delete something to make some space, rather delete the planet.
Also, if you merge Humboldt to Puerto Rico, then the ore fields will come along?
What do you plan to do with Vespucci? Will it stay as it is?
RE: The great Guard system cull - Narcotic - 07-29-2014
(07-29-2014, 04:29 PM)Echo 7-7 Wrote: The main issue is that I don't want to put the Nonsense Factory in Alberta or New York, and a hidden corner of space further from the core worlds is ideal; this change would leave only Alabama as a suitable candidate. It would still be in a remote corner of the system.
Sure, moving it to New York would be nonsense.
Hence, why I'd be all for it.
What about my other suggestions?
RE: The great Guard system cull - Teerin - 07-29-2014
Conspirator Notice: As one of the Gallia lore guys, conspiracy plans have already been made for Artois, Anjou, Corse, Franche-Comte, Savoie, Touraine, and ... a core system.
That aside, on a more serious note, if one of the three Ellesmere bases need a home, instead of throwing them all into Alaska, one could be put into Virginia as a way to "de-guard" the system, but still have it as a highly secure one. Haven't spoken with the LN HC about this yet, so this is just a personal opinion.
RE: The great Guard system cull - Zayne Carrick - 07-29-2014
Quote:I have no idea what to do with it yet... but it might involve juggling assets between there and Saar.While I'd rather not to see BHG/DHC base in Omega-54, LWB assets within empty part of Omega-54 would make sense.
RE: The great Guard system cull - Highland Laddie - 07-29-2014
Quote:Keep in mind that the new Cassini would look nothing like it does now. I've been brainstorming ideas about how this could work, and the best idea I've come up with so far is essentially having the two factions in opposite corners of the system with a no-man's-land in between.
So, kinda like turning it into Omega-5. Did/does that really work, though? Didn't seem to work for Hessian/Corsair fights, or maybe I just wasn't around when they were bigger.
RE: The great Guard system cull - JunkerTown - 07-29-2014
(07-29-2014, 04:29 PM)Echo 7-7 Wrote: Primarily, it's that many, if not all, Guard systems were not designed in a manner that adhered well to the overall lore continuity (Tau-65 and Londonderry are examples of pretty bad offenders). Secondarily, they dilute activity in non-Guard systems simply by virtue of their being more systems in the mod. Lastly, the poorly-regulated designs cause unnecessary mod bloat, by virtue of having more bases than needed in many cases.
Anyway, the key point here is that Humboldt is a pretty bland system, and ought to be merged with one of its neighbours. PR basically has a whole lot of empty space in the western half of the system, which could be ripe for repurposing once the unrealistically-placed neutron star is removed. (Alternatively, the neutron star stays and the system gets a whole lot more dangerous...). Merging Humboldt into Kansas remains an option, and would probably serve to generate a fair bit more activity for the system - which is not a bad thing at all - but PR still has no reason to remain a Guard system, when it could be opened up and made far more interesting, while retaining a secure corner of the system in which to hide the shipyard.
No doubt merging Kansas and Humboldt would be good.
Neither system generate enough activity to warrant being separate.
As for Puerto Rico.. that system is constantly active and we use it DAILY.
We purchased it long ago with the intent of maintaining, securing and setting up events along with future RP with it.
We have done just that many times over and the neutron star has played into it as well.
I didn't setup the neutron star but after reading its info card decided to develop our own RP about it and for our POB there known as San Juan.
It's been the basis for the station being a secret research facility and the place we develop things like jump drives and cloaking devices.
Loads of time and energy have gone into us developing PR and also keeping it secured.
Would be a real shame to see all our game time and effort get 'repurposed' or removed.
Since activity is very high there it could be prove to be counter productive to do so.
RE: The great Guard system cull - Shinju - 07-29-2014
I would like to know what's going to happen with Sakhalin, Namura Research and Niigata station + GMG Battleship in Sigma-59 :|