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RE: Salvager and Raba regen counts: too high? - Haste - 09-21-2014
(09-21-2014, 12:55 PM)Snake Wrote: Repeating it again "Frigate".
If you want to decrease regen counts rename it into a "Transport" then pls, stop confusing people.
Giving a ship a different name should not mean that it's allowed to be objectively superior in practically every way to ships it competes with for cargo size and practical use.
The Salvager and Raba are, for all intents and purposes, transports. They're at least twice as survivable as transports of similar size with no defensive weaknesses.
If we want to argue balance based on lore and naming, why can civilian and pirate ships compete with house technology? Because we base balance on gameplay, not the names and/or 'lore use' of ships.
RE: Salvager and Raba regen counts: too high? - SnakeLancerHaven - 09-21-2014
So I can actually call the Ahoudori a Battleship? (nerd)
Oh comon, you don't call someone an Admiral for nothing do you? You can't say "Admiral" to a "Lieutenant" cuz the term and class is different.
By calling the Salvager a "Frigate" you are actually showing signs of this Class inside the Game.
I mean if it were just small differences like, Cruiser and Destroyer or Gunboats and Gunships, ok, but a Frigate and a Transport are 2 different things. It's meant to survive longer.
RE: Salvager and Raba regen counts: too high? - Mímir - 09-21-2014
it has gunboat guns and powercore, maybe that's the "frigate" trait? Why does "frigate" have to do with regens?
RE: Salvager and Raba regen counts: too high? - Haste - 09-21-2014
(09-21-2014, 01:33 PM)Snake Wrote: Oh comon, you don't call someone an Admiral for nothing do you? You can't say "Admiral" to a "Lieutenant" cuz the term and class is different.
My GRN| "General" has no gameplay advantages over my GRN| "Commandant" despite his higher rank. His Battleship guns don't do more damage, his ships don't have more regens.
RE: Salvager and Raba regen counts: too high? - Gondoros - 09-21-2014
I think we shouldn't glance by what the salvager is being used for. So you take your salvager, go into the mining field which is radioactive by the way, hope that no xenos are coming (by the way how come salvagers are so hard to kill yet it seems xenos have no problem with taking them out), take your cargo to alpha which is not that close considering other trading routes. Now the best part comes from smuggling, for i have yet to see a junker selling their scrap in alpha ( or gamma for that matter) and not taking cardi (artifacts) back. So mind the img, corse, gmg, every lawfull, outcast/corsair (depending on what you got going) and of course every other pirate. Kinda hard to do all that with just a regular transport (not impossible though i grant you that) .
Now i do agree that the regens could be cut back, but my opinion is that it would be wrong if the salvager would be made into just another transport, easy pray for whoever desires.
P.S. Lets not forget the nomads
RE: Salvager and Raba regen counts: too high? - SnakeLancerHaven - 09-21-2014
(09-21-2014, 01:41 PM)Mímir Wrote: it has gunboat guns and powercore, maybe that's the "frigate" trait? Why does "frigate" have to do with regens?
It's survivability Frigate > Corvette > Gunboat
So in fact, it should last longer than a usual Gunboat, speaking of it has only Transport shield and no GB Shield anyway, also no CD, balance enough?
RE: Salvager and Raba regen counts: too high? - Tenacity - 09-21-2014
Is everyone forgetting the most important thing here?
The salvager, from the top or bottom, has a profile almost four times larger than the borderworlds transport and twice as large as the big dragon.
RE: Salvager and Raba regen counts: too high? - Corile - 09-21-2014
Salvager is literally the most unkillable and annoying transport right now.
Lower the regens to 400, pls.
RE: Salvager and Raba regen counts: too high? - nOmnomnOm - 09-21-2014
Yay lets ruin more of the game just for Lyth! [sarcasm sign]
RE: Salvager and Raba regen counts: too high? - Corile - 09-21-2014
(09-21-2014, 06:55 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: Yay lets ruin more of the game just for Lyth! [sarcasm sign]
Either that or actually make use of FR5 for lolwut junker salvagers with cardie running into a lawful base because they're too afraid to lose their cargo.