(08-09-2015, 05:14 PM)Wesker Wrote:

(08-09-2015, 04:28 PM)Titan Wrote:

(08-09-2015, 04:22 PM)Wesker Wrote:

(08-09-2015, 04:10 PM)Titan Wrote:

(08-09-2015, 04:02 PM)SwagBunny Wrote: Point, but you have to consider the projectile speed of a Light Mortar which is easy to dodge in Light Battleships, and even Medium ones, only tanks are 99% hit chance. Also you have to consider the powerplant of a Cruiser, especially light destroyers like a Thresher or Siege Cruisers. It takes around 70%? maybe a bit less of your powerplant to fire a single Mortar from an LSC/Katsaguchi. And the damage isn't that significant against ships with CAU6 or up+regeneration rates which deny you damage when the shields bring up. Have you tried killing a CAU8 Marduk with 3 Scyllas? It takes time, and that was with support of at least 4 Dual Nova bombers. If the Scyllas had only primaries it would take A LOT longer. Without bomber support, you are screwed. Removing Cruiser Cerbs would make them useless against anything larger then a Gunboat, or an other Cruiser.

Well, Not for me. Btw why you using Mortar on LSC/Katsaguchi, You can use FW guns and takes more low energy to fire and you can fire 3-4 times before you lost all of your energy

Thresher still very small and easy to kill battleships with it.

Taking down Marduk with 3 Scylla takes time? Of course, it must take A LOT longer time. 3 Scylla with cerb setup (4+4+4) will destroy the Marduk in 2minute. One of the biggest dreadnoughts and strongest flying fish dies in 2minute? Really?

4 Cerb deals 72k DMG per second
3 Scylla can deal 216k Dmg per second.

even Single Scylla can destroy Marduk, I think you don't know how to fly capital ships, you better stay away from caps

Crusiers are made to kill battleships.

When was the last time you saw a Scylla face up against a marduk.

Also thats assuming the Scyllas have cerb setups, most dessie pilots set them up with other guns. Also energy runs out and DPS drops.

The Marduk would ruin the 3 Scyllas, Scylla is too big to dodge hit it with the FG or with secondaries and it will die.


Assuming the Marduk pilot has no skill it will take 2 mins.

Pls dont drag the thresher into this it takes no effort to fly a thresher no BS will kill a thresher.

In conn you can see marduk
Scylla too big? I was destroying whole Libertonian fleet with 1 Scylla and 2-3 gunboat. (remember tutashkhia and his squad also titanbot)

Marduk don't have FG* (only Valor can destroy any destroyer/cruiser)
If you fly carefully you don't get hit by Secondaries, I thought you know that.

3 Scylla can use Mortar instead of Cerberus, Mortar can hit Marduk everytime

Conn is a different story.

Well yea when its against the lolns 1 dessie and 2-3 gbs will ruin i was in the GNG ik that.

I swore the marduk had a FG on it.

You can dodge secondaries in smaller dessies, but up close a scylla will get nailed regardless due to its size.

Light mortars still require energy, combine them with prims and DPS can drop even lower.

Ofc if the Scylla pilots are skilled than the Marduk will die, but im taking into consideration that there are only a few cap pilots on the same level as you and I [:

(08-09-2015, 06:03 PM)Snake Wrote: "Fun" lol Lyth. The actual fun is in using tactics according to your loadout and ship setup, not spamming Cerberus. Think again, having to aim better, no sudden "Uncloak full Cerb" deaths, but a mean of defense.

Especially now that people would uncloak behind you, it would be risky. Not to mention cloak attacks should be risky at some point and not an advantage as if you would put CAU8 over a CAU8 on your Capital Ship.

But anyway, if the House Cerbs could be managed like Primaries too (dmg, speed and all) the outcomes might look different, though I still saw Secondaries as some kind of AA guns and the main turrets are something like Missile Batteris, Mortar/aka Canons or Razors, Charge weapons. Not to mention, Primaries already serve as some kind of Cerberus anyway.

(08-09-2015, 06:03 PM)Snake Wrote: "Fun" lol Lyth. The actual fun is in using tactics according to your loadout and ship setup, not spamming Cerberus. Think again, having to aim better, no sudden "Uncloak full Cerb" deaths, but a mean of defense.

Especially now that people would uncloak behind you, it would be risky. Not to mention cloak attacks should be risky at some point and not an advantage as if you would put CAU8 over a CAU8 on your Capital Ship.

(08-09-2015, 06:49 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: Is there just no way/solution to tone down Cerbs to not make them the go-to obvious choice for cap combat? Maybe make them more energy hungry? Shorten their range? Give them some real negative quality so that benefiting from them produces the player to take some other major tactical considerations into account?

Also, I thought cruisers/destroyers are more for killing GBs and maybe carriers, not BSs...?

Also, how does making Cerbs a house-specific weapon change how they affect combat? Seems like that solution changes nothing unless you only fly caps for the pretty colors of the guns...

There also seems to be a disconnect between some peoples' notions of what "fun" combat is supposed to be in a cap. For some, they'd like them to be longer.....how long should a fun cap fight take? And are we talking 1v1 or fleets there? For others, they already hate how long some snub fights take, and don't want to see cap fights go in the same direction.

Maybe we need to take better stock of what players here are really looking for in all of this before just jumping to all the #remove this and #buff that options. There seems to be a wide gap in the common ground that needs to be more settled first.