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RE: Docking ring weaponry - Char Aznable - 02-29-2016
(02-29-2016, 04:17 AM)Vendetta Wrote:(02-29-2016, 04:13 AM)Char Aznable Wrote: Pirates etc should not be around planetary docking rings anyway without getting shot at and expect to die immediately once moving into the defense perimeter. There's no reason to change it. If unlawfuls want to interact with lawfuls, go to the tradelanes. Go pirate. Do what unlawfuls are supposed to do.
The problem with this statement is that not all unlawfuls are pirates. Theres still terrorists that suffer from this. Not to mention Gallia invading New London. Its just not fun for these people, and sweeping those concerns under the rug with the "lol pirates go pirate" argument just seems one-sided to me.
Last I checked Al Quaida is not rolling up AK-47s in on Times Square expecting to survive. Remember the Order attacking the Donau in the first mission? Those people knew they're going to die. Same goes for invasions. If you invade the enemies' home system, home base, expect to die. A lot.
RE: Docking ring weaponry - Impyness - 02-29-2016
I can kind of understand the reasoning behind this poll, but at the same time I think the pros of keeping it as-is outweigh the cons. While yeah this would stop people from hugging their capital planets, it would also mean that there's an equal chance that a player will undock and instantly be attacked by any number of potential hostiles.
I also dont think any other weapon would actually help to keep away people from the (5k?) range of the missiles. Keep in mind this change would also affect Malta / Crete as well as certain other planets that may receive docking rings.
Also the title says docking ring weaponry, shouldnt it specifically say capital docking ring? After all regular docking rings only have the same weaponry as NPC stations, so if weapons are actually removed from /all/ docking rings, we would have planets with millions of people literally defended worse than a station with a few hundred. Likewise adding mortars / flaks / cerbs to all docking rings would only result in more tears.
RE: Docking ring weaponry - Vendetta - 02-29-2016
(02-29-2016, 04:21 AM)Char Aznable Wrote:You're trying to relate groups like the Blood Dragons and Hellfire Legion to radical suicide religous fanatics.(02-29-2016, 04:17 AM)Vendetta Wrote:(02-29-2016, 04:13 AM)Char Aznable Wrote: Pirates etc should not be around planetary docking rings anyway without getting shot at and expect to die immediately once moving into the defense perimeter. There's no reason to change it. If unlawfuls want to interact with lawfuls, go to the tradelanes. Go pirate. Do what unlawfuls are supposed to do.
The problem with this statement is that not all unlawfuls are pirates. Theres still terrorists that suffer from this. Not to mention Gallia invading New London. Its just not fun for these people, and sweeping those concerns under the rug with the "lol pirates go pirate" argument just seems one-sided to me.
Last I checked Al Quaida is not rolling up AK-47s in on Times Square expecting to survive. Remember the Order attacking the Donau in the first mission? Those people knew they're going to die. Same goes for invasions. If you invade the enemies' home system, home base, expect to die. A lot.
Its difficult when factions like that, who strive off of activity and interaction with lawfuls, who have to go to a place where they know they're going to die just to get ten seconds of fun. What's the point in them playing if people are going to idle by the planets all day? The way I see it, it's harmful to interaction, and is slowly but surely killing off revolutionary factions. Its not just a problem with the weaponry, but the players. Thats a conversation for a different thread.
Here's an example.
If I logged my HF ships to go fly around in New York, the most populated place would be Manhattan. So, I go there, to see whats up, maybe rp, maybe pew some LN/LSF/LPI, who knows, its the house of opportunity. So I get there. I start chatting up some traders, explaining the Commonwealth and our reason for fighting the Republic, how we're against piracy, and then along comes an LN guy to stop me from spreading propaganda. We're both pumped, gonna fight, boom. Docking ring missile. Dead. No one has any fun.
Why block off the most active areas in house to the vast majority of interactions?
RE: Docking ring weaponry - Sciamach - 02-29-2016
(02-29-2016, 04:33 AM)Vendetta Wrote: radical religous fanatics.
You rang?
Jokes aside: Sorry to say this but this is really starting to sound like some an incident has caused a great amount of anger on the subject and is now rallying together support for a change that really is unnecessary and counter-productive to the message of the server as a whole.
Forgive the implied snarkiness here but I really don't know another way to say it: Please go make a sandwich and calm down before you voice an opinion on the subject. Speaking as the person that's literally the first to anger in much of any scenario-- Do yourself a favor and base your stances on calm and level-headed decisions rather than spur-of-the-moment emotional impulse. Most times you'll find the calm decision is better for you than the angry one.
No hate meant, legitimately trying to help <3
RE: Docking ring weaponry - Durandal - 02-29-2016
(02-29-2016, 04:30 AM)Impyness Wrote: t would also mean that there's an equal chance that a player will undock and instantly be attacked by any number of potential hostiles.
We have undock protection for this scenario, which lasts for a good thirty seconds or so.
(02-29-2016, 04:30 AM)Impyness Wrote: Also the title says docking ring weaponry, shouldnt it specifically say capital docking ring?
I believe people are able to infer well enough for us not to specify, but yes, that is correct.
RE: Docking ring weaponry - Char Aznable - 02-29-2016
(02-29-2016, 04:33 AM)Vendetta Wrote: You're trying to relate groups like the Blood Dragons and Hellfire Legion to radical suicide religous fanatics.Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. I relate people that are ready to die for an ideal to other people that are ready to die for an ideal.
I personally do never have the docking rings on my side, as I'd like to remind you. The fact that you don't get any interactions when you're not assaulting planets is because you're not camping lanes. If you'd do that, the lawfuls would react. I'd also like to remind you of the fact that we removed the guns on tradelanes for this very reason. Give the lawfuls a fortress to run to if necessary. It literally just reads like you're angry about one particular instant. Stop hunting blues and go for actual RP interaction, please.
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(02-29-2016, 04:36 AM)Durandal Wrote: We have undock protection for this scenario, which lasts for a good thirty seconds or so.That's not nearly enough to get away if you're under assault, especially if you're in a cap/transport.
RE: Docking ring weaponry - Zephyranthes - 02-29-2016
(02-29-2016, 04:33 AM)Vendetta Wrote:(02-29-2016, 04:21 AM)Char Aznable Wrote:You're trying to relate groups like the Blood Dragons and Hellfire Legion to radical suicide religous fanatics.(02-29-2016, 04:17 AM)Vendetta Wrote:(02-29-2016, 04:13 AM)Char Aznable Wrote: Pirates etc should not be around planetary docking rings anyway without getting shot at and expect to die immediately once moving into the defense perimeter. There's no reason to change it. If unlawfuls want to interact with lawfuls, go to the tradelanes. Go pirate. Do what unlawfuls are supposed to do.
The problem with this statement is that not all unlawfuls are pirates. Theres still terrorists that suffer from this. Not to mention Gallia invading New London. Its just not fun for these people, and sweeping those concerns under the rug with the "lol pirates go pirate" argument just seems one-sided to me.
Last I checked Al Quaida is not rolling up AK-47s in on Times Square expecting to survive. Remember the Order attacking the Donau in the first mission? Those people knew they're going to die. Same goes for invasions. If you invade the enemies' home system, home base, expect to die. A lot.
Its difficult when factions like that, who strive off of activity and interaction with lawfuls, who have to go to a place where they know they're going to die just to get ten seconds of fun. What's the point in them playing if people are going to idle by the planets all day? The way I see it, it's harmful to interaction, and is slowly but surely killing off revolutionary factions. Its not just a problem with the weaponry, but the players. Thats a conversation for a different thread.
Here's an example.
If I logged my HF ships to go fly around in New York, the most populated place would be Manhattan. So, I go there, to see whats up, maybe rp, maybe pew some LN/LSF/LPI, who knows, its the house of opportunity. So I get there. I start chatting up some traders, explaining the Commonwealth and our reason for fighting the Republic, how we're against piracy, and then along comes an LN guy to stop me from spreading propaganda. We're both pumped, gonna fight, boom. Docking ring missile. Dead. No one has any fun.
Why block off the most active areas in house to the vast majority of interactions?
Yeah, speaking as the head of one of your mentioned groups, we don't go raiding the very front of our enemy's core worlds to try and get some type of activity. Most of our skirmishes take place away from planets and on the fringes of KNF-patrolled space. Our rare New Tokyo raids are usually out in open space, in the fields, or near other stations. It'd be utterly stupid inRP and OORP to directly attack a planet, given how it'd be the most well-defended location in a system. Any attacks near a planet or on the surface would probably be more like traditional terrorist attacks, and would involve stealth, planning, a willingness to sacrifice oneself, etc.
And guess what? Revolutionary factions shouldn't be exempt from the ability to pirate. Camping the lanes as BD| is acceptable, you just have to be very selective with your targets. This mentality that revolutionary groups are somehow above acquiring resources for their own goals is kinda stupid, but that's a conversation for another day.
Heavily fortified planets and stations in core systems of Houses encourages unlawfuls to not bumrush the capital and instead adopt a more guerrilla-style of warfare. Lawfuls will usually still respond to you if you don't hug the planet.
RE: Docking ring weaponry - Findarato Veneanar - 02-29-2016
The mass of people that use bases as safe spots in pvp are bad enough already, let's not make it slightly worse.
RE: Docking ring weaponry - Komitoza - 02-29-2016
(02-29-2016, 04:45 AM)Findarato Veneanar Wrote: The mass of people that use bases as safe spots in pvp are bad enough already, let's not make it slightly worse.
/conn
RE: Docking ring weaponry - Vendetta - 02-29-2016
(02-29-2016, 04:40 AM)Char Aznable Wrote:(02-29-2016, 04:33 AM)Vendetta Wrote: You're trying to relate groups like the Blood Dragons and Hellfire Legion to radical suicide religous fanatics.Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing.
I personally do never have the docking rings on my side, as I'd like to remind you. The fact that you don't get any interactions when you're not assaulting planets is because you're not camping lanes. If you'd do that, the lawfuls would react. I'd also like to remind you of the fact that we removed the guns on tradelanes for this very reason. Give the lawfuls a fortress to run to if necessary. It literally just reads like you're angry about one particular instant. Stop hunting blues and go for actual RP interaction, please.
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(02-29-2016, 04:36 AM)Durandal Wrote: We have undock protection for this scenario, which lasts for a good thirty seconds or so.That's not nearly enough to get away if you're under assault, especially if you're in a cap/transport.
Wow, okay, it seems I hit a nerve.
I've been in the Hellfire Legion for a long, long time. Since 2012, before they disbanded, to an indy group I started in 2014, to 2iC now. The Hellfire Legion DOES NOT SHOOT TRADELANES. We dont shoot civilians, we dont rob people. There is no tactical value in disrupting commerce in the nation we're trying to overthrow, as that would be harmful to us if we succeeded. Being forced to repair our own self-caused damages.
Implying that I dont actively search for roleplay, or that the others dont, is just a crappy attitude. Its obvious you've been shafted at some point in orbit somewhere, and thats a personal problem, so dont take it out on me when I bring up valid counters, and at least keep an open mind to how harmful docking ring weaponry and hugging it is harmful to interaction.
EDIT: And on a side note, I've never died to docking ring missiles, so why would I be mad? Its been annoying for years.