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RE: Propsed ID Overhaul - Official & Independent - Lafayette - 04-22-2018
Added updated GC| description to the proposal. (Werdackel PM'd me over to me)
(04-22-2018, 09:23 PM)Thexare Wrote: Your overhaul includes the Researcher ID, but I don't think that actually exists anymore. In the event that it does, it mentions the Corvo Cruiser, but the Corvo's now a gunboat.
It is given by the Admins after submitting a request. Removed the Corvo from the ID, since it is covered under "Gunboats".
RE: Propsed ID Overhaul - Official & Independent - JorgeRyan - 04-22-2018
Foxglove has some nice points on the positive/negative defining on ID's
As for the actual ID lines, it was my understanding that a) Corsairs can treat cardamine/ Blodo Diamond smuggles as combat targets anywhere (why wouldn't I shoot them?) and b) The Unione Corse can escort and bounty hunt anywhere too since otherwise it would be a redundant line, since everyone is already allowed to escort/ bounty hunt in their ZoI.
RE: Propsed ID Overhaul - Official & Independent - Querious - 04-22-2018
Can you add the approved DWR ID to the list? We've become official as of today.
RE: Propsed ID Overhaul - Official & Independent - PRJKTLRD - 04-22-2018
This is really good idea! Again kudos for mentioning Commune, even if it is not still official!
I like how you summarised things. Explains everything, and everything is more... crystal clear.
RE: Propsed ID Overhaul - Official & Independent - LaWey - 04-22-2018
My penny about coalition ids.
Allied ships and same affilation not the same. Hessians and mollys can be allied too. About retrieve data id line need ask somebody, maybe if indie id had it too, we could've attack midnight runner full of data
RE: Propsed ID Overhaul - Official & Independent - Karlotta - 04-23-2018
The "only positive or only negative" permissions proposed by foxglove doesn't really work here because the IDs list exceptions to given permissions, and differences towards rules for other factions.
It seems to me that the IDs can be rendered shorter and easier to oversee like this (just examples for the principle):
Lane Hackers Wrote:Original
* This Primary ID is only available for use on ships belonging to LH~ official faction.
The inner circle of the Lane Hackers is a very small but greatly influential group specializing in high-profile extortions, industrial sabotage and intelligence gathering. They oversee large portion of Cardamine market in Liberty and are well known for their deeply rooted animosity towards Liberty corporations and government.
Pilot carrying this unlawful ID is member of the Lane Hackers who:
- Can attack any ships within their Zone of Influence, except transports.
- Can demand cargo and credits from any ship within their Zone of Influence, and attack them if they do not comply.
- Can attack Ageira, Interspace and IND anywhere.
- Can pirate vessels carrying Ageira Whiteboxes and Gate/Lane Parts anywhere.
- Cannot ally with any lawfuls.
- Cannot use any transports with more than 4,300 cargo.
Zone of Influence: Liberty, systems directly bordering Liberty, Manchester, Leeds, Shikoku, Coronado
Allowed ships: Fighters, Freighters, Transports, Gunboats
Updated
* This Primary ID is only available for use on ships belonging to LH~ official faction.
The inner circle of the Lane Hackers is a very small but greatly influential group specializing in high-profile extortions, industrial sabotage and intelligence gathering. They oversee a large portion of the Cardamine market in Liberty and are well known for their deeply rooted animosity towards Liberty's corporations and government.
Pilot carrying this unlawful ID is a member of the Lane Hackers who:
Is allowed to do the following anywhere:
- Can trade, smuggle or escort transports.
- Can attack any ship in self-defense or to protect a ship or base of the same affiliation.
- Can attack ships and bases belonging to Ageira, Interspace and IND.
- Can pirate ships carrying Ageira White Boxes or Gate/Lane Parts.
Is allowed to do the following within their Zone of Influence:
- Can attack any bases or ships, except transports.
- Can engage in piracy against any ship.
Is not allowed to do the following:
- Cannot ally with any lawfuls except IMG.
- Cannot use any transports with more than 4,300 cargo.
Zone of Influence: Liberty, systems directly bordering Liberty, Manchester, Leeds, Shikoku, Coronado
Allowed ships: Fighters, Freighters, Transports, Gunboats
* This Primary ID is only available for use on ships belonging to LH~ official faction.
The inner circle of the Lane Hackers is a very small but greatly influential group specializing in high-profile extortions, industrial sabotage and intelligence gathering. They oversee large portion of Cardamine market in Liberty and are well known for their deeply rooted animosity towards Liberty corporations and government.
The owner of this unlawful ID is permitted to
- attack any ships, except transports, without prior demand
- demand cargo and credits from any ship, and attack them if they do not comply
within their Zone of Influence, and
- attack Ageira, Interspace and IND
- pirate vessels carrying Ageira Whiteboxes and Gate/Lane Parts
anywhere.
They may not ally with any lawfuls.
Zone of Influence: Liberty, systems directly bordering Liberty, Manchester, Leeds, Shikoku, Coronado
Allowed ships: Fighters, Freighters, Transports with less than 4400 cargo, Gunboats
You could also summarize a lot of lines as "enforce X house Law". I guess anyone using a law-enforcing ID has to be familiar with them anyway. (laws also need to be made easier and shorter to read but that's another topic)
Liberty Navy Wrote:Original
* This Primary ID is only available for use on ships belonging to [LN] official faction.
The Liberty Navy Primary Fleet is the primary military arm of the Libertonian Armed Forces. Possessing some of the finest in military technology and a wealth of capital vessels, the Liberty Navy helps to protect Libertonian sovereignty, as well as assisting its ally, the Bretonians, in defense and in war. The current Liberty Navy admiralty headquarters is centralized at Planet Columbia, Virginia. Primary training and recruitment takes place at West Point Military Academy, New York, with secondary advanced training taking place at Richmond Military Academy, Virginia.
Pilot carrying this lawful ID is member of the Liberty Navy who:
- Can engage and destroy any ships within Alaska, Ellesmere or the Zone-21 Minefield that do not belong to either the LSF or Liberty Navy.
- Can demand contraband and levy fines within their Zone of Influence, and attack if ships refuse to comply.
- Can attack ships which are in violation of Liberty laws or belong to a house or organisation considered hostile by Liberty within their Zone of Influence.
- Can defend allied or neutral lawful ships and bases within their Zone of Influence.
- Can escort traders within their Zone of Influence.
- May engage Separatis LSF within Alaska
- Cannot participate in unlawful actions except as described above.
- Cannot use any transports with more than 4,300 cargo.
Zone of Influence: Liberty, systems directly bordering Liberty, Hamburg, Leeds, Newcastle, Manchester, New London, Dundee
Allowed ships: Fighters, Freighters, Transports, Gunboats, Cruisers, Battleships
Updated
* This Primary ID is only available for use on ships belonging to [LN] official faction.
The Liberty Navy Primary Fleet is the primary military arm of the Libertonian Armed Forces. Possessing some of the finest in military technology and a wealth of capital vessels, the Liberty Navy helps to protect Libertonian sovereignty, as well as assisting its ally, the Bretonians, in defense and in war. The current Liberty Navy admiralty headquarters is centralized at Planet Columbia, Virginia. Primary training and recruitment takes place at West Point Military Academy, New York, with secondary advanced training taking place at Richmond Military Academy, Virginia.
Pilot carrying this lawful ID is a member of the Primary Liberty Navy Fleet who:
Is allowed to do the following anywhere:
- Can trade, smuggle or escort transports.
- Can attack any ship in self-defense or to protect a ship or base of the same affiliation.
Is allowed to do the following within their Zone of Influence:
- Can protect allied or neutral lawful ships or bases.
- Can attack ships or bases which are in violation of Liberty laws or belong to a house or organisation considered hostile by Liberty.
- Can attack and destroy any ships within Alaska or the Zone-21 Minefield that do not belong to either the Liberty Navy or LSF.
- Can demand contraband and levy fines as specified in Liberty laws, and attack if ships refuse to comply.
Is not allowed to do the following:
- Cannot ally with any unlawfuls except The Council.
- Cannot participate in unlawful actions except as described above.
- Cannot use any transports with more than 4,300 cargo.
Zone of Influence: Liberty, systems directly bordering Liberty, Hamburg, Leeds, Newcastle, Manchester, New London
Allowed ships: Fighters, Freighters, Transports, Gunboats, Cruisers, Battleships
* This Primary ID is only available for use on ships belonging to [LN] official faction.
The Liberty Navy Primary Fleet is the primary military arm of the Libertonian Armed Forces. Possessing some of the finest in military technology and a wealth of capital vessels, the Liberty Navy helps to protect Libertonian sovereignty, as well as assisting its ally, the Bretonians, in defense and in war. The current Liberty Navy admiralty headquarters is centralized at Planet Columbia, Virginia. Primary training and recruitment takes place at West Point Military Academy, New York, with secondary advanced training taking place at Richmond Military Academy, Virginia.
The owner of this lawful ID is permitted to
- enforce Liberty Laws by confiscating contraband, levying fines, and attacking non-compliant ships
- defend allied and neutral lawful ships and bases
- escort traders
within their Zone of Influence.
They may not participate in unlawful actions except as described above.
Zone of Influence: Liberty, systems directly bordering Liberty, Hamburg, Leeds, Newcastle, Manchester, New London, Dundee
Allowed ships: Fighters, Freighters, Transports with less than 4400 cargo, Gunboats, Cruisers, Battleships
RFP Wrote:Original
* This Primary ID is only available for use on ships belonging to RFP| official faction.
The Rheinland Federal Police space forces serve as the main law enforcement authority within Rheinland borders, with focus on fight with criminal activities such as contraband smuggling, cardamine trafficking, slavery or use of illegal equipment. Second and equally important task is to secure safety of civilian and commercial traffic against pirates as well as all criminal or terrorist groups. RFP| is the elite primary department, which includes also high command of all police forces, and officers which serve in it are equipped with top quality gear. Its goal is to attract into ranks the best police officers from whole house to achieve excellent results and be true pride of Rheinland.
Pilot carrying this lawful ID is member of the Rheinland Federal Polizei who:
- Can demand contraband and levy fines within their Zone of Influence, and attack if ships refuse to comply.
- Can attack ships which are in violation of Rheinland laws or belong to a house or organisation considered hostile by Rheinland within their Zone of Influence.
- Can defend allied or neutral lawful ships and bases within their Zone of Influence.
- Can escort traders within their Zone of Influence.
- Cannot ally with any unlawfuls or participate in unlawful actions except as described above.
- Cannot use any transports with more than 4,300 cargo.
Zone of Influence: Rheinland, systems directly bordering Rheinland
Allowed ships: Fighters, Freighters, Transports, Gunboats, Cruisers
Updated
* This Primary ID is only available for use on ships belonging to RFP| official faction.
The Rheinland Federal Police space forces serve as the main law enforcement authority within Rheinland borders, with focus on fight with criminal activities such as contraband smuggling, cardamine trafficking, slavery or use of illegal equipment. Second and equally important task is to secure safety of civilian and commercial traffic against pirates as well as all criminal or terrorist groups. RFP| is the elite primary department, which includes also high command of all police forces, and officers which serve in it are equipped with top quality gear. Its goal is to attract into ranks the best police officers from whole house to achieve excellent results and be true pride of Rheinland.
Pilot carrying this lawful ID is a member of the Rheinland Federal Polizei who:
Is allowed to do the following anywhere:
- Can trade, smuggle or escort transports.
- Can attack any ship in self-defense or to protect a ship or base of the same affiliation.
Is allowed to do the following within their Zone of Influence:
- Can protect allied or neutral lawful ships or bases.
- Can attack ships or bases which are in violation of Rheinland laws or belong to a house or organisation considered hostile by Rheinland.
- Can demand contraband and levy fines as specified in Rheinland laws, and attack if ships refuse to comply.
Is not allowed to do the following:
- Cannot ally with any unlawfuls.
- Cannot participate in unlawful actions except as described above.
- Cannot use any transports with more than 4,300 cargo.
Zone of Influence: Rheinland, systems directly bordering Rheinland
Allowed ships: Fighters, Freighters, Transports, Gunboats, Cruisers
* This Primary ID is only available for use on ships belonging to RFP| official faction.
The Rheinland Federal Police space forces serve as the main law enforcement authority within Rheinland borders, with focus on fight with criminal activities such as contraband smuggling, cardamine trafficking, slavery or use of illegal equipment. Second and equally important task is to secure safety of civilian and commercial traffic against pirates as well as all criminal or terrorist groups. RFP| is the elite primary department, which includes also high command of all police forces, and officers which serve in it are equipped with top quality gear. Its goal is to attract into ranks the best police officers from whole house to achieve excellent results and be true pride of Rheinland.
The owner of this lawful ID is permitted to
- enforce Rheinland Laws by confiscating contraband, levying fines, and attacking non-compliant ships
- defend allied or neutral lawful ships and bases
- escort traders
within their Zone of Influence.
They may not
- ally with any unlawfuls
- participate in unlawful actions except as described above
Zone of Influence: Rheinland, systems directly bordering Rheinland
Allowed ships: Fighters, Freighters, Transports, Gunboats, Cruisers
RE: Propsed ID Overhaul - Official & Independent - Karlotta - 04-24-2018
So are you still pursuing an ID overhaul or have you given up on it?
RE: Propsed ID Overhaul - Official & Independent - Foxglove - 04-24-2018
(04-23-2018, 12:21 AM)Karlotta Wrote: The "only positive or only negative" permissions proposed by foxglove doesn't really work here because the IDs list exceptions to given permissions, and differences towards rules for other factions.
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You should really attentively re-read my post, then your statement, and consider why the above statement is nonsensical.
My proposal literally is taking into consideration that there are "given permissions". I merely propose that we take a stance where you are a priori either allowed to do everything and then the ID would be used to negatively defined what you cannot do as an exception from the rule that you can do everything, or you disallow everything and then the ID would be used to positively give you certain permissions, like being able to pirate players, or engage ships.
RE: Propsed ID Overhaul - Official & Independent - Karlotta - 04-24-2018
Or maybe instead of declaring it to be nonsense, you could think about what I said a bit more.
In every case where there is an exception to something that is forbidden (for example you cant shoot lawfuls but you can shoot unlawfuls), you'll have to express that it's permitted in certain circumstances (here: unlawfuls) too.
And that in cases where there is an exceptions to something that is is permitted (for example you can shoot unlawfuls but you cant shoot lawfuls), you'll have to express that it's forbidden for the exceptions.
There is certainly room for removing redundant things and formulating IDs shorter than the existing ones. But using either only positive or only negative formulations isn't necessarily the best way to describe everything. Although saying only what is forbidden may be shorter in most cases.
Also, IDs give suggestions and ideas to what SHOULD be done, not only say what shouldn't be done, even if that were shorter.
RE: Propsed ID Overhaul - Official & Independent - GrnRaptor - 04-25-2018
Requests for the official Liberty navy IDs.
- Separatis(t) spelled correctly.
- Add Virginia to the shoot on sight section next to Zone-21 and Alaska.