(05-09-2025, 02:53 AM)Lord Chaos Wrote: The new system not only killed the cloak disruptor but also killed the Survey module,
Remove the "too close not to be seen " thing and bring back the cloak disruptors.
At least the Teamcould keep bouth jump drive types in the game and thus the surveys could still be used,
Some of us did like doing the surveys and jump werever we chose to,
The current system is forcing us to have a snub on the other side with a matrix, wich takes like 5 minutes to get him there, the survey however needed to be made by 2 players no way to get around it cause fuel consumption.

(05-09-2025, 02:58 AM)darkwind Wrote: If some mechanic is actually hurting some group of people.
- Consider not removing it, if it is actually a group of players liking to use it and not impacting other players by their usage (Looking at jump drives here)
- Or if majority of players prefer to use it and it affects only small subgroup in negative way. (Looking at cloaks)
Otherwise the improvements are serving as poison (instead of being medicine) to unique items with unique game mechanics
Freelancer Discovery is not having big amount of unique amount of items in effects in the first place. Each one being turned into broken.. is very noticeable.
(If u remove fun mechanics u just remove i think players themselves, not redirecting them to remaining lesser options)

(05-09-2025, 02:58 AM)darkwind Wrote: For some reason development too much concentrated on removing all fun mechanics.
- Nerfing in all directions cloaks (with according removal of cloak disruptors),
- nerfing in all directions jump drives, (with removed survey accordingly)
- And also all those recent versions nerfing transports in all directions
- And then nerfing capital ships in all directions

Can we consider actually... more aiming onto fun of ALL players, and more checking community feedbacks, instead of going into where the stuff goes?
Unique items make the most important impact on game play and having fun. Having nerfs to them make the most noticeable.... decrease in game mechanics.

• Cloak stuff looks to be simple reverting to old one, by just disabling those different optional configs (So this fix should be easiest to do)
  
• Jump drives regretfully more difficult going to be fixing, probably best to leave for desert, gathering opinion thoroughly before acting upon
  • A good (and simple) starting point for fixing jump drives could be by making their fuel cheaper considerably (to before nerfed values) and lifting restrictions to cargo amounts needed for jumping
    
  • At some point returning ability to jump by coordinates and ability to use surveys would be a next possible direction to fix them completely. Then all new mechanics with present predestinations will be only ENHANCING on top of previously existing jump drives abilities, instead of nerfing them.
    
• Somewhat fixing transports could be made by making 5k transports speed being equal to at least capital vessels
  

(05-09-2025, 05:04 AM)Leo Wrote: Another option I think might be interesting is to have cloak disruptors work passively in this system. Revert to the old system but if any one player has a cloak disruptor equipped, this decloaks a cloaked player. It's kind of the best of both worlds and makes both pieces of equipment viable and desirable. Just a thought.

(05-09-2025, 04:48 PM)Harcourt Fenton Mudd Wrote: I left before cloaks and POBs, and returned after the nerfs, so I can only comment on the current ones:

Cloak: still lets you run and hide, great for people who pay attention and see someone approaching they want to avoid, also great for ambushes if you can handle shields starting zeroed out, or if you want to bait someone riding the player list.

Jump drive: compared to not having one it's great, however the fixed set of jump spots are oddly implemented at times, cambridge for example the default spot drops you right into a PVE.

Personally I'd like the option to set coordinates more directly or in some way that feels more sci-fi than what we have now, say selecting which grid you want on the map and what height, with a margin of error, with the default setting redone to allow for some random variety in where you jump out at.

(05-09-2025, 05:40 PM)Aingar Wrote:

(05-09-2025, 04:48 PM)Harcourt Fenton Mudd Wrote: I left before cloaks and POBs, and returned after the nerfs, so I can only comment on the current ones:

Cloak: still lets you run and hide, great for people who pay attention and see someone approaching they want to avoid, also great for ambushes if you can handle shields starting zeroed out, or if you want to bait someone riding the player list.

Jump drive: compared to not having one it's great, however the fixed set of jump spots are oddly implemented at times, cambridge for example the default spot drops you right into a PVE.

Personally I'd like the option to set coordinates more directly or in some way that feels more sci-fi than what we have now, say selecting which grid you want on the map and what height, with a margin of error, with the default setting redone to allow for some random variety in where you jump out at.

Jump drives do pick a random entry from the list. That said if there are any 'weird' jump spots do report them so they can be fixed. Having one lead directly into a PVE zone is less than optimal.

Thanks to all who voted and discussed the cloaking devices situation.
The poll will end in one day, and so far, there are 27 votes (not enjoying the cloaking devices) and 11 votes (enjoying the cloaking devices).
The majority of the votes show the real dissatisfaction with the current cloaking devices



I hope that the developers will rebalance this issue. thanks.