(01-04-2026, 04:14 AM)EisenSeele Wrote: OFFICIAL FACTION ACTIVITY
2025 Q4

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Factions Stripped:
These factions were previously warned for failing the check in the last two quarters,
and failed this activity check.

Gas Miners Guild GMG| 5:50:30

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(01-04-2026, 04:50 PM)Luke. Wrote:

(01-04-2026, 04:23 PM)Lemon Wrote:

(01-04-2026, 03:21 PM)Luke. Wrote:

(01-04-2026, 10:13 AM)Lemon Wrote: This is grim, so many factions lost, you don't even bother using proper formatting to announce their OF death, and there's a lot more non-OF who are under their requirement and should be removed too.

I'll finally have some time just to help my boys who still are around, but this is not good - caps were murdered for solo PvP and PvE, the heavy decision staff approach that lead to countless mistakes has driven a lot of people away, and it just looks bleak after losing the people who were holding the mod up with events that were needed after solo PvP and PvE play was butchered by balance.

I don't think this is about reworking OF system itself however much that'd help - like honestly if you are on staff: why should people come back now, why put so much effort into holding an OF, why should new folks join and stay with solo play at the all time hardest outside of hauling, and a loose sanction system that can make a public shameful example of you at any time if the votes align

This isn't the thread for this debate but, blaming staff for everything is absolutely insane. There's been times of inactivity, and times where mistakes have been made, but everyone on the team cares about Discovery and its players and suggesting otherwise is frankly just bitter at best.

There was a time when Discovery had a lot of players. Many, including yourself probably remember it. This offset a lot of underlying issues such as the aforementioned lack of "things to do" because player interaction was the core driver of...well, activity. It's what led to the proverbial world spinning and people logging to see what would happen that day. Factions however good or bad, thrived, RP'd and attracted people to join their cause. Over time, that golden age died out. There is no doubt that some have been driven away by changes they do not like, pleasing everyone is very difficult after all, but failing to recognise any other reasons is incredibly disingenuous. The game is old, people grew up and life took over, there's a lot of games to play, the modern generation don't want to engage with a forum and a genre like RP that requires more attention to detail and conduct. The decrease in players causes a spiralling effect where the game just becomes less fun because there's less to do as a result of less players.

But instead of acknowledging the many external reasons for the games decline, instead you choose to blame devs for not working fast enough to compensate with a plethora of ways to entertain the playerbase when they too have lives and do this for free on the side, with an engine that can only do so much without a metric ton of work. You choose to blame staff for utilising a public sanction system that has been in place since the inception of the mod and had zero effect on the player numbers for many, many years. A product of an older, more stoic time perhaps and yet you'll complain all the same if action is taken privately because you didn't see your report get explicitly actioned. You choose to blame us all for OFs getting bored and slowing down, meanwhile there's many people using various Discord servers to slander each other and create huge rifts in the real world that demotivate each other from playing, or logging simply to spite others and ruin their time in the game.

If you ever wonder why some feedback is not taken seriously, I'd honestly suggest taking a good look at how its presented. Even I, as someone who prides myself on finding something valid to take onboard amidst seas of unproductive word-salad and slander, find it hard to be motivated when every decision is met with backlash without anything constructive, no solutions and no care for the fact that we too are players and want the best for the mod as much as you do.

The current staff team is, at least in my eyes, the most fair and balanced in terms of opinions and discussion that's been seen for a while now. Boiling everything down to the fault of authority is indicative of blindness. There's been mistakes, missteps and ill-fated decisions. There's been apologies and situations that could have been avoided. There's been accountability for that. We are not and will never be perfect. But it's a two-way street. Always.

I came well after any Golden age, and the reason and 20+ people who I flew with don't play are
1) Caps are very solo and small group play unfriendly
2) There is a loose sanction system that picks on people selectively and then makes them examples
3) Event organisers are gone.

The game experience was made actively worse by balance - caps log times have been obliterated by making them slow unfun bricks that are more relistic and balancing the game around large mixed composition fleet fights. This all crumbles as server numbers get even lower and you lose Barrier and others willing to make events.


Balance killed off solo mission farming too - it's just, sad and bleak and I don't see any way out of this for the very large group who used to fly caps without big fleet fights.

The staff approach where an error after error are made with the arbitrary sanction system don't help, but honestly the broken mechanics are the main issue, devs are just detached and want to move from the arcade freelancer that was well...fun and why recreational players played in the first place.


External factors are one thing - but sadly the game is made actively worse and decline supported by staff making the wrong decisions. You can burry the head in the sand, but look at the tracker, see where caps are now and where they used to be a couple years back in relation to other ships - this and low confidence in staff are why tens if not hundreds of players aren't here.

You need to find a new barrier, or someone like him, fast, and treat guys like MHS like gold because the balance is made for a full server and large numbers and hostile to solo play and fun experience.

I see you are utterly pointless to argue with and would rather sit in your own bubble with these beliefs born of an echo-chamber, ignoring anything that you are told because you want to believe your own agenda instead.

I've lost count of the amount of systems that I or someone else has said "people that break rules more often, get sanctioned more often". If you know all these people like you claim, then maybe you happen to hang with the crowd that enjoys pushing boundaries or causing trouble for others. Not much to be done here, those that are sanctioned are those that have breached the rules. It's really that simple. The list of sanctions over the past year alone speaks for itself in debunking this stoic belief that the same people get sanctioned and all because staff don't like them. There's no evil cabal in the staff team, no decision-affecting bias and no will to make any particular person miserable. You just think there is, because your friends keep being sanctioned for valid reasons. It's clearly impossible to change your mind on this, because you'd rather believe their side of the story rather than any evidence. That's fine, you are perfectly entitled to game with whoever you wish, but genuine friends hold their companions accountable for their own mistakes rather than blindly defending them.

As for balance, as much as it would perhaps make sense to balance for smaller numbers instead, if the server were ever to climb once more, suddenly that philosophy is outdated too and requires yet further work to reverse and rebalance for more players again. The devs fight an uphill battle and acknowledge that there's much to be done with the current state of affairs, but people like yourself make it far less desirable with this unshakeable will to blame volunteers for trying their best, and who likely have much better knowledge than you do.

We have a new event dev, I'm sure they'll take the time to come up with ideas in the near future. Perhaps try to be nicer to them than you have been to just about any other member of staff in recent memory, failing to read a single word and responding with a convoluted "nope, i'm right".

You are set in your ways so I have no desire to continue this discussion, but then one has to wonder why you're still here if it's really that bad. You clearly aren't willing to listen to the other side, much like those you adamantly claim are so cast aside by us. Funny how that works.

(01-04-2026, 05:19 PM)Lemon Wrote: The "heavy decision" admin system is open to human error, has singled out people way too often, and punishes those who create a lot of activity; mistakes have made folks worried about logging - it was much more rigid before, but fair, even if it let the Dariuses and Sallys roam free. I've been at the wrong end of this when I was told I'm intentionally cheating when I just tried the game after a long break and wanted to test a new patch

(01-04-2026, 04:23 PM)Lemon Wrote: Balance killed off solo mission farming too - it's just, sad and bleak and I don't see any way out of this for the very large group who used to fly caps without big fleet fights.

(01-04-2026, 07:41 PM)Chronicron Wrote: @James Greed Share your wisdom on this matter

(01-04-2026, 10:13 AM)Lemon Wrote: caps were murdered for solo PvP

(01-04-2026, 04:37 PM)Lemon Wrote: was fun to take vs 5 snubs

(01-04-2026, 10:13 AM)Lemon Wrote: a loose sanction system

(01-04-2026, 04:56 PM)Enkidu Wrote: Get a group of people together, then play the game.

Or, play by yourself and take it as it comes.

The key part here is to play the game.

It really is that simple.

(01-04-2026, 05:12 PM)Luke. Wrote: "Just log in" is a mentality that has been lost, and would drive a lot of things that people think can't exist anymore.

We can point at things staff did wrong, devs did wrong and players did wrong and we all have a part to play for sure. I just don't enjoy the same points being regurgitated as a retort to being told the direct and demonstrable contrary. OFs are the main topic of staff discussion at the moment, we very much do want to revitalise them in some way. We agree that the current system doesn't work, and doesn't incentivize their existence.

(01-04-2026, 08:38 PM)Major. Wrote:

(01-04-2026, 04:56 PM)Enkidu Wrote: Get a group of people together, then play the game.

Or, play by yourself and take it as it comes.

The key part here is to play the game.

It really is that simple.

While this statement is true, it's only true for newish and medium-timepart members.

As someone who is here for a good amount of time (same as you), the issue becomes, what am I even supposed to do? I roleplayed, I Pve'ed, I PvP'ed etc. I did everything the game/mod has to offer. At some point, the only thing that this mod provides, is the RP. And sadly the quality dropped significantly. (Sure, as someone who did minimal RP for a while just to get his PvP, I might have been part of the problem.) The forum RP is still good, you have your meme and low quality posts from time to time, but overall the forum RP is still high. The ingame RP on the other hand is utterly trash.