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The |BAAF| - .shed - 12-08-2009
Kyushu is definately a no-no under normal circumstances, the BAAF would only enter there under the express permission of its Senior officers, which we would grant rarely, if ever. Tau 29 is a bit behind the line but not too for us to venture, and its doubtful your going to see anything but fighters and bombers that far out. Just recon patrols mostly.
And I can't speak for all of us but some of are familar with the terrorist Salazar Kithe and Mon'Star. Can't wait to hunt you guys down. ::laugh:
The |BAAF| - Dab - 12-08-2009
' Wrote:As such your Commodore would have no direct authority over a BAAF pilotI'm not sure I agree with this kind of idea.
Lets take a look at a real-world military; U.S. Armed Forces. Now, we have the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Marines, and the Coast Guard. For simplicity's sake, we'll just look at the Army.
We've got;
Active
Reserve
In both Active and Reserve the same ranks are used. Why? Because a Captain in active Army still has the authority to issue orders to anyone under Captain in the reserve forces. This is because the reserve forces are a part of the army that simply assists the active forces when needed. A reserve force is not separate from its parent military. Likewise, a Captain in the Reserve Army still holds authority over people under Captain in the active army. Joint ranking and authority system. Now granted, this probably won't work quite the same way with BAF|, considering we don't have the power to promote and demote your people, thus we also won't have any of your people able to command our own. However, a reserve force is always under the command of the active army. That's true for all modern-day militaries that have reserve forces.
So you're basically saying a BAAF Ensign does not have to answer to a BAF| Commodore, which is more than slightly bizarre considering the vast rank and experience difference between the two. In effect, that Ensign could start shooting a transport and would not have to stop when told to by a ranking BAF| officer.
I don't really think this idea of 'We'll make an entirely new faction so they have no power over us!' is one that is ever going to work. It'd last a few weeks, maybe a month before a serious issue comes up and then we'll be at each other's throats.
On another note, what about BAF|'s MI5 agents? You say a BAF| Commodore wouldn't have authority to give any of your pilots orders, should we also assume that you will ignore anything MI5 tells you as well? Considering MI5 manages all possible treasonous activities, as well as counter-terrorism and counter-intelligence in Bretonia, including its Armed Forces, that would make very little sense. MI5 having authority over all but the highest-ranking officers of BAF, as well as all Bretonian civilians, but no authority over any reserve troops?
The |BAAF| - .shed - 12-08-2009
Firstly
Quote: 'We'll make an entirely new faction so they have no power over us!
That is not our mindset at all. So please don't make your own impression before you've spoken with us.
And I believe I've answered this several times but I don't mind doing it again. The BAF will not have direct authority over us, though they will be able to request our assistance in which case any BAAF pilot who answers such a call will be under that officers command until such a time as they aren't needed. Its more up to the players discression and their willingness to RP that will define these situations.
The |BAAF| - Panzer - 12-08-2009
*BaaRf*
Ok, be my guests, you look fine so far...
The |BAAF| - jammi - 12-08-2009
My only concern is the mixing of non commissioned and commissioned ranks, as well as Army and Naval ranks. Examples being there are no Sergeants in the regular Navy (Marines don't count). Also, there is no way a Sergeant could progress to a Lieutenant - you'd require officer training and a commission. A sergeant is a NCO, while a Lieutenant is an Officer. Mind you, NCO is an Army term - non Officers in the Royal Navy are known as Ratings.
I'd always presumed only Officers would be allowed to pilot as well. Kind of like the modern day RAF. All the piloting itself it done by officers, with the crew usually consisting of NCOs. Similarly, the Navy will only commission the command duties of it's ships to officers. I suppose the closest comparison in the Army is that officers will always lead Platoons, Battalions and Regiments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy_ra...s_rank_insignia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uk_Royal_Navy_Ranks
The |BAAF| - guitarguy - 12-08-2009
You could differentiate yourselves from the BAF| by being a Cambridge/Omega-3 based faction. Or you could be the last line of defense in Harris. Use your imagination.
The |BAAF| - jammi - 12-08-2009
' Wrote:You could differentiate yourselves from the BAF| by being a Cambridge/Omega-3 based faction. Or you could be the last line of defense in Harris. Use your imagination.I can't remember the last time I saw a BAF ship in Dundee.
The |BAAF| - Sprolf - 12-08-2009
' Wrote:Go for it, I wish you the best of luck. Couple of things you should look up before you patrol Leeds and the Tau's though:
- The Vengeful Salazar Kithe and his Massive Blimp Fortress of Sluggish Doom
- The Terribly Truant Mon'Star and his Flying Rocket Pod of Inexplicable Lagbooms
- The Villainous Colin Breen and his Bad Taste in Seafood and Corsair Headwear
Other than that, good luck!
Fixed that for you.
I also can not remember the last time I was in Dundee.
Oh, wait. Yes I can.
When I first joined the Molly Republic, Bjorn and Vjeko and everyone went on a Picnic and we blew up Chimaeras to rep my Hyena. That brings back good memories.
I haven't been there since.
The |BAAF| - pbrione - 12-11-2009
Personally I am quite happy with the general structure of this idea - auxilliary forces in a time of total war are always good to be represented. However, I'd like to request that you try to RP as auxilliary-style forces, rather than as a seperate yet identical copy of the BAF. Emphasise support operations and raids against the enemy rather than patrolling, scanning or defending core systems.
With regard to the relationship with the BAF, consulting our previous command structure chart here: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/93/bretonianarmedforces.jpg I have put you optionally in the box labelled "volunteer forces" as ANZAC auxilliaries, meaning that you are seperate to the main BAF fleets, having your own unique command structure, but still fall broadly under the jurisdiction of the Admiralty Board (i.e. the war cabinet that votes on decisions affecting all of Bretonia) with regard to things like diplomacy and the laws of Bretonia, where we would expect you to follow our lead rather than go out making unilateral decisions of your own. This technically makes your Vice Admiral junior to a full Bretonian Admiral, though in practice as Admirals tend only to issue direct orders to their respective fleets which you are not part of, this would still mean you had independence of action. As for other ranks, whilst your forces would not directly be under the command of BAF officers, I would still expect a degree of cooperation with the BAF, given that you are supposed to be auxilliary forces supporting the regular BAF, so would respond to requests for assistance if asked. I would also expect BAF officers, particularly senior ones, to be treated with respect and politeness inRP, though I ask BAF officers to be polite and cooperative towards the BAAF as well.
As for other forces like MI5, whilst I would not say they had OORP authority over you, inRP I would still obviously expect some degree of sensible RP from your people when interacting with other senior Bretonian characters, though I am sure you are more than capable of dealing with that yourselves without the need for strict rules as to how to act.
I hope that you find these terms acceptable, and look forwards to working alongside you in game.
The |BAAF| - .shed - 12-11-2009
' Wrote:Personally I am quite happy with the general structure of this idea - auxilliary forces in a time of total war are always good to be represented. However, I'd like to request that you try to RP as auxilliary-style forces, rather than as a seperate yet identical copy of the BAF. Emphasise support operations and raids against the enemy rather than patrolling, scanning or defending core systems.
With regard to the relationship with the BAF, consulting our previous command structure chart here: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/93/bretonianarmedforces.jpg I have put you optionally in the box labelled "volunteer forces" as ANZAC auxilliaries, meaning that you are seperate to the main BAF fleets, having your own unique command structure, but still fall broadly under the jurisdiction of the Admiralty Board (i.e. the war cabinet that votes on decisions affecting all of Bretonia) with regard to things like diplomacy and the laws of Bretonia, where we would expect you to follow our lead rather than go out making unilateral decisions of your own. This technically makes your Vice Admiral junior to a full Bretonian Admiral, though in practice as Admirals tend only to issue direct orders to their respective fleets which you are not part of, this would still mean you had independence of action. As for other ranks, whilst your forces would not directly be under the command of BAF officers, I would still expect a degree of cooperation with the BAF, given that you are supposed to be auxilliary forces supporting the regular BAF, so would respond to requests for assistance if asked. I would also expect BAF officers, particularly senior ones, to be treated with respect and politeness inRP, though I ask BAF officers to be polite and cooperative towards the BAAF as well.
As for other forces like MI5, whilst I would not say they had OORP authority over you, inRP I would still obviously expect some degree of sensible RP from your people when interacting with other senior Bretonian characters, though I am sure you are more than capable of dealing with that yourselves without the need for strict rules as to how to act.
I hope that you find these terms acceptable, and look forwards to working alongside you in game.
You've managed to explain this better then I have in all my previous posts. We agree and find this prefectly acceptable.
Though I'll have to point we're no longer calling ourselves ANZAC, instead our clever acronym (BAAF) now stands for Bretonian Armed Auxiliary Force.