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Discovery without Armour upgrades? - Elsdragon - 01-02-2010
for fighters, remove UAV and boost armor by 2.5X all aorund. simple. Caps..>eh...not so simple.
remove Fighter armor, and PVP will be ALOT quicker. if another 2.5X isnt added. Cap armor seems to be just required...and I dotn want to have to rebalance caps.
Discovery without Armour upgrades? - Tenacity - 01-02-2010
My suggestion would be to remove armor altogether, and improve the armor of each shipclass based upon the standard armor upgrade used.
I do agree that if we removed fighter armor and did not improve their base armor, it would bring fighter combat times in line with cap battles, but that might be a huge disadvantage for a lot of groups with less powerful fighters.
Overall, my COA would be...
Fighters/bombers/freighters/transports: x2.5 base armor
Gunboats: x3.0 base armor
Cruisers/battlecruisers: x3.5 base armor
Battleships: x4.0 base armor
And remove the armor upgrades entirely. It would be nice if we could add other equippable items that had different effects, though - like, power cells which increase your maximum power capacity by a certain amount, or reactors which improve power regeneration rate, or "cloaking devices" which reduce the range you show up on sensors (but do not turn you 'invisible')
Discovery without Armour upgrades? - Guest - 01-02-2010
My suggestion to solve al the whining is this.
Stop playing the game, it's that easy.
Or return to 1.0
The game is more or less balanced enough as it is, however i'd like to see more possibilities as a energy upgrade relative to the armour upgrade. Not that you could mount both at the same time, obviously.
Discovery without Armour upgrades? - Varok - 01-02-2010
' Wrote:To be honest, what we need is to reduce the amount of bots/bats
Problem of long combat solved.
That is a good idea,also reducing the armor upgrades would be good.
Discovery without Armour upgrades? - Robert.Fitzgerald - 01-03-2010
Don't remove armour upgrades and simply upgrade every armour around, that removes choice from players. I like having 2.1x extra armour on a few characters, or even 1.4x armour on others. On some characters I feel no armour is required, so I don't buy it. If you really don't like having to pay 15 million extra to set up a fighter, pay 10 million (UAV 7). On most fighters it wouldn't even make a difference in combat, yet you save 5 million.
Armour upgrades are not the problem with long fights between fighters and/or bombers. Fighters and bombers can dodge each other consistently, and this is often called "shield camping". If you reduce armour, reduce the number of bots / bats, etc people will simply dodge more as they don't want to die.
Leave it as is.
Discovery without Armour upgrades? - jxie93 - 01-03-2010
Armour represent a fundamental problem in Discovery where everyone just want the best upgrade... Because "OLOLOL I HAS MOAR ARMOUR THAN JOO I ARE BETTAR" It's all about competition and e-peen enlargement, like the existence of capital ships.
Of course this competition is healthy until a player decides to powertrade for weeks, even months so he/she can afford the biggest ship with the best armour. This process of powertrading is caused by the initiatial urge to gain an advantage over others, but results in boredom, lack of RP and generally a bad experience for others.
Therefore I propose either a complete removal of armour upgrades and rebalance damages according to base hull or at least lower the prices a little.
edit: Actually I have another idea, turn armour upgrades into class based just like weapons and shields.
examples - Figthers up to Universal 6, Gunboats up to Universal 8 and so on.
Discovery without Armour upgrades? - Panzer - 01-03-2010
Got summut outta the box in mind... Sure, rad kills us, but... imo the only things to ditch the armor upps are smalls - bombers and fighters. THEY have the sweet capability of staying unhit.
Discovery without Armour upgrades? - TYHPilot - 01-03-2010
I am a fan of the make ships carry less shield batteries and nanobots. Easier than revamping all of the weapons and hull stats to make up for no more armor.
Seriously, Batts and bots are what really make fights long. In fights I gauge my progress by watching the batts bot numbers go down, not by looking at the actual hull shield hit points.
Discovery without Armour upgrades? - Tovig - 01-03-2010
' Wrote:My suggestion would be to remove armor altogether, and improve the armor of each shipclass based upon the standard armor upgrade used.
I do agree that if we removed fighter armor and did not improve their base armor, it would bring fighter combat times in line with cap battles, but that might be a huge disadvantage for a lot of groups with less powerful fighters.
Overall, my COA would be...
Fighters/bombers/freighters/transports: x2.5 base armor
Gunboats: x3.0 base armor
Cruisers/battlecruisers: x3.5 base armor
Battleships: x4.0 base armor
And remove the armor upgrades entirely. It would be nice if we could add other equippable items that had different effects, though - like, power cells which increase your maximum power capacity by a certain amount, or reactors which improve power regeneration rate, or "cloaking devices" which reduce the range you show up on sensors (but do not turn you 'invisible')
Yes. This and the reduction of the b/b.