Quote:In the for what it's worth department - in each of the times we in the BHG| have had an issue where official orders have been issued to an indie player, it has been within the rule requiring either the faction leader or the 2ic. Note that this is as a player, and not as a character. Thus, it doesn't matter whether I'm on the BHG|C-Guildhall and acting as Max DeVirgo, or on the BHG|Castor.Pollux and just flying as a regular hunter.

' Wrote:The Ensign doesnt, its just overlooked.

I believe the faction right says only the top ranking leader and 1 below him can order indies around.

Convienently Overlooked.

In Every Faction, In Every House.

Lovely, right?

] I understand there's official faction "rights" listed here. I don't have any issues with official factions having certain rights. Non-faction members are here to enjoy the game too.[/quote]

Official factions wit dev team dictates npc factions roleplay. And you must abide it if you have the current id.

Wrote:</cite>I like to play here and enjoy the RP, but some seem to think the only way you can RP is if you know every single detail about official faction rules, laws, politics with other factions, etc. I'm not spending my life in the forums to learn everything a small number of people here to agree. If some official faction has an agreement with another official faction then its an agreement between those official factions.

Rule 6.10 prevents people from acting differently than their ID's reputation. Official factions cannot force a non-faction member to comply to some agreement that goes against this rule. An example might be an alliance between enemies to fight together against a common foe. Or an unlawful faction entering into an agreement with a lawful faction to protect traders. I've actually witnessed this personally in the past where an Outcast told me they would destroy my Molly for pirating a BMM vessel because of some agreement with the Bretonian Armed Forces.</blockquote><br />
Official factions are let to make agreements with neutral factions as long as it makes sense. Or to go from neutral to hostile. Mollies and outcasts are not allies in any form.

<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite Wrote:Official Faction Right #2 is too broad and is creating some rules loopholes (which ironically the responsibilities of rule 2 specifically expresses they avoid).

While the official faction rules serve a good purpose for encouraging role play, they are giving the official factions way too much power over non-faction players. An official Molly faction should not be able to tell a Molly ID'd ship (not affiliated with the faction) that they cannot pirate BMM (or any other ship for that matter). An official Outcast faction should not threaten a Molly ID'd ship with death if they continue to pirate a BMM ship in the Molly's own system (Dublin).

I don't know from what are you making this up, maybe that's becosue of molly leader incompetence, but they can't tell you do that. And if they do, you can disobey them. Any FR5'ing you might turn agianst themselves. Becouse official factions can't tell other players to stop fallowing factions lore.

[quote= Wrote:This isn't just about Mollys. Just using this as an example because of a couple experiences I've had in Dublin. Keep in mind that under the "Responsibilities Associate with Right 2" specifically states that, "Official factions have a responsibility to incorporate willing and responsible 'independent' characters belonging to their NPC faction affiliation into the ordinary operations and activities taking place in the faction's territory as much as possible." Independent's must be willing to participate..

' Wrote:@ Dakun
It's not like they are not allowing to play at all.

' Wrote:@ Dakun

I wonder why are you so negative towards official factions that try to force indies to play as NPC faction lore suggests?

' Wrote:In the for what it's worth department - in each of the times we in the BHG| have had an issue where official orders have been issued to an indie player, it has been within the rule requiring either the faction leader or the 2ic. Note that this is as a player, and not as a character. Thus, it doesn't matter whether I'm on the BHG|C-Guildhall and acting as Max DeVirgo, or on the BHG|Castor.Pollux and just flying as a regular hunter.

That is where we can have a problem, just to use the [LN] as an example. I'm quite sure that Joe has more than one character in the [LN], although I could be mistaken. He probably doesn't always fly Admiral Hale. So it's quite possible that the lowlife [LN] ensign COULD be Joe, just not in his David Hale persona. And thus, regardless of him being in game as a lowlife Ensign, he's still able to issue orders under the faction rights. And have them stick.

' Wrote:Oh hell. I shouldn't have started discussion with a troll.

' Wrote:Oh well. Good luck. Hope to see ya with snubs...