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Gunboat class miner (for all lawful mining IDs) - Kharon - 06-13-2011
CAU8 Hegemons are unvalid rethorics because one can mirror them back easy as in a CAU8 Pirate Transport will most likely always win easy against an CAU8 Hegemon.
A Hegemon is not made for fighting, nomatter it has 12 Hardponts. Already agreed upon infact implicite in:
' Wrote:The Hegemon fits that role. That ship is beastly when it comes to combat. And miners aren't about combat. If they want defense, then they have to have escorts.
They put guns on trains during WW2, but those trains couldn't take on an army. Same rule applies here. Economic and Industrial equipment is not meant for combat.
Now natural balance of supply and demand is simply overruled by (your!) "is not meant for"/"its not meant to be". But in Wild West the Miners had the same guns as the Robbers. So you try to decide here whats good for everyone.
Your finger on the Scales sounds like one hell of a Balance concept!
Why not provide something usable for lets say 150million SC and lets see how many Miners will switch to it from theyr Hegemon.
That is Balance!
And regarding you finger on the Scales:
Imagine someone suddenly decides FOR YOU that a snac can only fire once in 120 sec (bcause one soldier should not be able to solo stop/shoot a Train).
Gunboat class miner (for all lawful mining IDs) - Shagohad - 06-13-2011
' Wrote:CAU8 Hegemons are unvalid rethorics because one can mirror them back easy as in a CAU8 Pirate Transport will most likely always win easy against an CAU8 Hegemon.
A Hegemon is not made for fighting, nomatter it has 12 Hardponts. Already agreed upon infact implicite in:
Now natural balance of supply and demand is simply overruled by (your!) "is not meant for"/"its not meant to be". But in Wild West the Miners had the same guns as the Robbers. So you try to decide here whats good for everyone.
Your finger on the Scales sounds like one hell of a Balance concept!
Why not provide something usable for lets say 150million SC and lets see how many Miners will switch to it from theyr Hegemon.
That is Balance!
And regarding you finger on the Scales:
Imagine someone suddenly decides FOR YOU that a snac can only fire once in 120 sec (bcause one soldier should not be able to solo stop/shoot a Train).
But in the wild west, the robbers and the miners didn't have elaborate starships to assist them in their work.
And people use the Hegemon because it's cheap, has a decent cargo hold, is rather quick, and has decent firepower. It's fine just the way it is and is easy to use/attain. Why do we need something else?
Gunboat class miner (for all lawful mining IDs) - Huhuh - 06-13-2011
Ability to make vast amounts of money when protected.
Ability to make some money but also be able to hold its own in a fight.
You can't have both.
Gunboat class miner (for all lawful mining IDs) - aerelm - 06-13-2011
' Wrote:Why not force Pirates to TeamplayIt can be easily done already, you should just learn how to do it right.
All I see in your original idea is result of some massive butthurt from the fact that you can't solo-mine and not get blown up to pieces by any random pirate. That's not how one mines properly.
I've had a good chunk of my total income in disco from mining, and I've been in each and every mining spot with each and every ID possible, and I never felt the need for anything better than a Hegemon for mining... Why? Because I always had a scout by my side, and I never got pirated except once or twice.
Giving powerminers something with gunboat firepower will only kill group mining even more. Because... Why should someone even bother talking to an escort/scout if they're in a Cap8 Miner-Gunboat-Thing?
So that's a 'No' from me. If you want to force pirates to teamwork, do it yourself. 2 GBs & a PT running from 2 Mafics and a Dacite is a fun thing to watch, but that rarely happens... Go figure why!
Gunboat class miner (for all lawful mining IDs) - Ingenious - 06-13-2011
' Wrote:I want a tough Miner-Gunboat available in FL Disco for all mining Factions!
The Junkers have the "Salvager" Frigatte/GB, ALG even has an 5k "Golem Heavy Mover" Transport capable of mining. But thouse are strangely capped to mining scrap. Why should the Factions that generate most income in FL not have good, if not best, ships?
Why not force Pirates to Teamplay for a change, instead of making it so very easy for them to solo entire Groups of Miners/Transports in a single Kusari Explorer for example?
Salvager isn't that good.
Gunboat class miner (for all lawful mining IDs) - Ayem - 06-13-2011
There are several industrial/transporter ships that can defend themselves from varying threats in the mod already.
The (various) liners and the Shire (possibly also the Akegata) are recognised as the toughest, with the highest dps output. They take on cargo pirates with room to spare.
The Hegemon is a beast that only suffers due to the four mining turret bonus- reduce your number of mining turrets and you increase your offensive power greatly. It has good agility and the ability to fire a tcd backwards.
The ALG Golem suffers due to the low number of turret hardpoints, but it is very tough and has staying power.
The Mafic is the most defensive/offensive mining ship out there due to dodge capability and the Snac. The ability to mount fighter weapons allows you to defend other mining ships/transports from bombers effectively.
If all else fails, and the pirates keep logging on -in your field-, rename a gunboat/bomber to match your mining ship. Watch them log on. Cue hilarity.
If you want to win battles consistently, use a high level Capital armour.
Edit: The hegemon is actually very good at fighting. I've beaten up Hessian gunboats in it.
Gunboat class miner (for all lawful mining IDs) - Dart - 06-13-2011
as a mining faction leader, I disagree with having gunboat class miners.
Mining isnt meant to be an indie activity. if you cant survive on your own, go join a mining faction or form your won group. but as it stands mining is not meant to be an invulnerable activity.
let alone the fact that corporate IDs dont use GBs
Gunboat class miner (for all lawful mining IDs) - Bloom - 06-13-2011
I used to mine in a CAU6 Hegemon..never got killed, and very rarely paid, even to gunboats. :rolleyes:
Gunboat class miner (for all lawful mining IDs) - SnakThree - 06-13-2011
No. Obviously.
I want gunboat-like 5k trains for IC| since those darn the lol hackers (specialy with alts on forum) are demanding all our cargo. They should get a job instead of roleplaying their roles as ~pirates with mean guns to hurt our paper-like civilian trains.
Gunboat class miner (for all lawful mining IDs) - sadtranslation - 06-13-2011
Let's talk of Miner Battleship for Very Important Operations.
You are obviously doing it wrong. ALG "Golem" Heavy Mover is a mere transport with a special faction-wise ability to recieve bonus from mining; Salvager is a damn expensive faction-wise analog of Pirate Transport with gunboat turrets and mining bonus since it fulfils quite a lot of roles at different times.
Hegemon is a monster with large amount of turrets and heavy armor. Several of them working in team are quite capable of self-defence even without the additional escort ships, though, some ships hired to secure a mining operation are a pretty logical part of gameplay you may avoid only due to a total greed. In fact, Hegemon got an impressive survivability and usually the dead ones are the ones who went "Ha, you can kill my ship, but you can't kill my honor."
Basically, as it was said, th changes in mining mod were implemented to stress the effecience of teamwork during mining operations; so no gunboats for solo miners; hire a gunboat escort and be happy.