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House Police and Borderworlds - Guyton - 08-25-2012
If this is going towards the based upon the ID route. Yes , it is fine for them to travel as far as the GRN to hunt terrorist, criminals, aid in the war effort. The answer would still be no Tau-31 is an independent system where it is obviously lawless. Leading to the conclusion Gallic law should not in forced in the area. Officially it is the third independent system from Gallia. There is Orkney, Tau-23, Tau-31 where in Tau-23 it can hardly be said Gallic law is enforced. It is on the edge of lawful influence an area technically considered a war front with the Colonial Republic. Stating law can be enforced in Tau-31 where there is a Bretonian, Colonial, IMG, and Gallia presence in the area , it is not sound for Gallic lawfuls to declare what they want "Illegal" just because one battleship is present the system is pretty outside the box. When I say illegal this means a request forward with a 200 million credit tax would be required to build an IMG affiliated structure in a system where law is nothing. I never purposely enjoy mentioning factions in the open such as why my original post leaves you with so many questiins who, why, and where. However in this particular situation roleplay was not present, glad my team lost. I'm asking for community opinion though I know the answer.
Note: Gallia also rules Independent systems such as Lewis and Edinburgh.
House Police and Borderworlds - Escartes - 08-25-2012
' Wrote:The thing with the Independent systems is that they have been made less independent through the Houses' RP. Magellan and Cortez are split between Bretonia and Liberty; the Taus are claimed by Gallia, with some of 23 and 29 being patrolled by KNF too; Omega-3 is considered Bretonian, with Omega-7 taken by Rheinland; Bering and Hudson are warzones, contested by Liberty; and Sigma-13 is controlled by GMG, with the south allowing some Rheinland operations. It seems to me that Galileo and Kepler are the only true Independent systems (between the Houses) left.
Police factions uphold the laws in their sovereign space, which can include the above systems for their respective houses.
As a BPA Officer, I would include Omega-3 on my patrols, but have yet to do so with Magellan or Cortez. If I were to find myself there, I would still uphold the laws there, especially on the Bretonian side.
For this specific situation, GRP are within their ID rules to patrol Tau-31 and uphold the law there. Raiding Leeds might be less fitting to their RP, but if GRN need some backup to make the battle more interesting for both sides I'm still fine to see them there.
Yes some of the independent systems are being claimed by RP by house factions. I cant say that I agree with this fully though because there's a reason for independent systems. People that don't want to mess with the house factions, run illegal operations, be unlawful/pirate, and so on. And if you want to start saying that Tau 31 and other independent systems are claimed by house space. Whats to say down the road they don't try and make them house space if this happens good bye Zoners because you wont have any where to dock or RP. House factions should not be laying claim that a system is theres if theres more then one house or major faction contesting the area. That area is considered a war zone such as Tau 31 with Bretonia and Gallia both fighting for it per say. Therefore they have no right to enforce laws. To put it in another light. Russia and England go to war. Russia builds a base in England. By your logic since Russia has a base in England and there at war Russia has the right to make and enforce laws in England but they dont. The reason they dont is because they have not won control over England because there at war. The same applies to Tau 31. To address the police issue. Would have to say would be kind of funny to see Russian police pulling people over in England lol. So I stick to what I said they can assist GRN there with war efforts but they have no RP right to enforce law there since they do not solely control the system. Bretonia has a planet there as stated before.
House Police and Borderworlds - SummerMcLovin - 08-25-2012
You've not chosen a very good example, since inRP that would be if GRP started enforcing Gallic law in New London.
If Russia went to war with Britain (not just England:P) then they might include "No British citizens in Russian territory". They might then try and enforce that law in international waters if their own ships encountered British cargo ships.
Of course, there's no UN to stop stuff like this in Disco, so it's "might is right" in the independent systems. With Helmand built right over the Carcassone, they should expect Gallia to respond with force.
House Police and Borderworlds - Miaou - 08-25-2012
Seeing as this is about the police, and GRP has been mentioned I shall post.
GRP ID allows us in Gallia (of course) and all contested systems. This includes Orkney, Tau-23, Tau-31, Tau-44, Tau-29, Lewis, Edinburgh, Newcastle, Leeds, Dublin, Omicron-80.
This is ALLOWED by the ID rules, not just us doing so. How I handle this is any controlled Gallic space (Tau-23, Lewis, etc) is patrolled by us with military police. You'll see GRP|GR- tagged ships there or one of our capitals.
If you do have a problem with this though, shoot me a PM. We can talk about it.
House Police and Borderworlds - Loken - 08-25-2012
Basically, Gallia does not consider those systems to be independant, but considers them as belonging to it (this can be seen in their laws.)
The police have a specific military division tasked with enforcing the law in these captured systems for this reason.
House Police and Borderworlds - Ipuvaepe - 08-25-2012
[imo]BPA and LPI should not be enforcing house law in Magellan or Cortez, except for ~14k surrounding gates and holes into their space.
Same goes for KSP/LPI in Galileo/Kepler and KSP/RFP in Sigma-13.[/imo]
I would argue same goes for BPA/RFP in Omega-3 and Omega-7 and BPA/KSP in Tau-31 and Tau-29, but I can imagine the massive (albeit invalid) QQ storm that would follow.
I digress, I can see GRP in Tau-31 but enforcing Gallic law is crap on a stick. If there was come kind of Kusari/Gallia/IMG (most importantly including IMG) treaty that set out terms for mutual enforcement of law within the Taus it would be reasonable.
Houses, let alone houses that should be hostile, working together to conquer independent systems while realistic is detrimental to Discovery at large.
House Police and Borderworlds - Ursus - 08-25-2012
' Wrote:[imo]BPA and LPI should not be enforcing house law in Magellan or Cortez, except for ~14k surrounding gates and holes into their space.when pirates stay out of bret and liberty, maybe they can reciprocate
House Police and Borderworlds - JayDee Kasane - 08-25-2012
Yes and Yes.
Police is police, they should stick to core wolrds. military should be one who can act outside.
actually Military should act outside more then inside. but here on Disco it is not like that at all
House Police and Borderworlds - Jetro Willems - 08-25-2012
' Wrote:Yes and Yes.
Police is police, they should stick to core wolrds. military should be one who can act outside.
actually Military should act outside more then inside. but here on Disco it is not like that at all
Exactly.
Military should defend house's borders.
House Police and Borderworlds - Sarawr!? - 08-25-2012
House Police shouldn't be moving outside 'Core space' to do anything, unless they're on some sort of 'special operation.
As for enforcing laws in border territories?
Nation-states do things like this all the time, enforce their will in bordering territories that are "Unclaimed", I don't think it'd be any different in Discovery.
Of course it wouldn't be the Police groups doing that, it'd be military forces.
So in other words, I voted Yes and No.