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RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - RedEclipse - 09-03-2013
(09-03-2013, 08:26 PM)EisenSeele Wrote:It's something wrong with people, not with ships. Zoners haven't "battleships", but colony ships. Also if you're saying about how Zoner ships should be rare, do i need to remind you how many Rheinland should have them?(09-03-2013, 07:29 PM)Dancing Lady Wrote: Doesn't the BAF only have 13 battleships left, storyline wise?
I've seen more than 13 BAF battleships logged on at once
INB4 REMOVE DOOMSHRIMP ON BAF ID's
But in all seriousness, BAF are a house military faction with a means of supporting the use of battleships that they are, in lore, supposed to produce and maintain.
Zoners are none of those things - and the "battleships" that are being spammed are supposed to be incredibly rare colony ships that are being used in ways that they shouldn't be. Especially by people who use them as an excuse to propagate a completely wrong idea of what the Zoners are.
It's fine if people want the idea of what Zoners should be to evolve, but it's wrong to retcon and power-lore your way into a faulty conclusion.
Also it's rather funny how complaining stream slowly turned from pobs to zoner caps.
RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - Pinko - 09-03-2013
(09-03-2013, 08:26 PM)EisenSeele Wrote: INB4 REMOVE DOOMSHRIMP ON BAF ID's
But in all seriousness, BAF are a house military faction with a means of supporting the use of battleships that they are, in lore, supposed to produce and maintain.
Because we all know that waging wars you've been losing for now over 6 years (literally) is what gets you ressources, especially when a large part of your supplies are suddenly cut off by an enemy military, and that you're now basically fighting a Salted Land war (see: the destroyed trade lane of Leeds).
While on the other hand, Zoners kept expanding and discovered more and more areas to settle.
I'm not saying that justifies Zoners having Battleships, I'm just pointing this out.
RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - tothebonezone - 09-03-2013
They also have how many planets and systems still colonized for hundreds of years?
Point = moot.
RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - Kazinsal - 09-03-2013
DL, are you implying that a few million people engaged in a war for six years are less likely to build a fleet of battleships than twenty thousand space hobos?
RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - Scumbag - 09-03-2013
Stop it with your logic and arguments, it confuses people.
RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - Lonely_Ghost - 09-03-2013
(09-03-2013, 08:36 PM)Dancing Lady Wrote: While on the other hand, Zoners kept expanding and discovered more and more areas to settle.
I'm not saying that justifies Zoners having Battleships, I'm just pointing this out.
Resorses can be spent not only for shipbuilding.... as you sayed, zoners keep looking for new place to exist too, and don't you think, they going there with empty hands?
Indeed, Zoners keep searching new places, where they can settle, away from house mess and so on. And they need ship like Nephilim, which could ack like a mothership or a colony ship, during planet colonization process. And yes, it's logicaly have to be armored at maximal possible level and armed in same way, to ensure survival of people on board. Because, lose of such ship, with all people on board, will be nearly catastrophic strike to Zoners.
That why it should never been used as a battleship. Use Valor, Legate, Ranseur, Kirk, Mako... they are battleships, and were made for battles.
P.S. thats only my opinion, and it would never happens, but... I think, that Nephilims should only exist as stationared bases. Like ship, on the orbit of planet, where Zoners establishing population. Let only Carriers, like uber heavy transports. That's my opinon.
RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - Pinko - 09-03-2013
(09-03-2013, 09:00 PM)Kazinsal Wrote: DL, are you implying that a few million people engaged in a war for six years are less likely to build a fleet of battleships than twenty thousand space hobos?
I'm saying that the lore states they have less than 20 functional battleships left, as of the beginning of .86.
I actually remember LeMaitre doing a -really neat- diagram to represent it.
RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - Kazinsal - 09-03-2013
So how does that relate to the Zoners?
RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - Pinko - 09-03-2013
(09-03-2013, 09:11 PM)Kazinsal Wrote: So how does that relate to the Zoners?
That there's an actual lore number for how many BAF battleships there are in-game in-universe, and that number includes the stationary battleships that already exist.
Yet, there's quite a few more BAF battleships owned by players that there should be by the lore. And that's not a problem at all. That's just what the gameplay of the game is.
RE: Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID. - Kazinsal - 09-03-2013
There's no lore statement for any Zoner battleship-class vessels other than the Persephone.