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Corsair - Zoner - Mímir - 02-07-2012
' Wrote:Corsairs, the new Omicroners.
And don't forget:
Warmongering Zoners, the new Corsairs :-)
Corsair - Zoner - ... kur nubėgo? - 02-07-2012
Edit: not worth the effort.
The problem is that these raids are in no way related to zoner - corsair diplomacy issue.
Corsair - Zoner - DodgeOld24 - 02-07-2012
' Wrote:And I thought you were mature enough to understand a joke.And here I was thinking this topic was serious. Oh well. Lolo don't mind me next time you'll shoot me, I'll just whore a jumphole again. =]
' Wrote:Home systems are all the same, if factions hated outcasts more than corsairs, people would be raiding alpha... or new york... or NB... or NL...There'll still be some places you can be left alone in the "lawful" capitals, seeing as there's much more places to hang out at. Gamma, Mu and Alpha are barely comparable to them, as they only have a handful of safe spots where you could dock incase someone finds you after all.
You're making it sound like you should just gtfo out of the populated zone and make a 5 minute trip just to be left alone from potential threats in your home system.
' Wrote:I'm sorry, I didn't understand how you are forced to fight against your willRead above. I expect the ability to have some peace at what's apparently the faction who's ID I use its home system and safe haven.
EDIT: Obviously, I know there's plenty of more places where you're able to RP without any hostilities. The thing is that I usually hop on my Sair when I don't have that much time, to get a quick round in Gamma. Can't get any of those if everyone's occupied with hostiles.
Corsair - Zoner - Rodriguez - 02-07-2012
' Wrote:You're making it sound like you should just gtfo out of the populated zone and make a 5 minute trip just to be left alone from potential threats in your home system.
Read above. I expect the ability to have some peace at what's apparently the faction who's ID I use its home system and safe haven.
And I understand what you mean, but this is how the rules are set right now, this is how people are playing it, you can choose, you can keep responding to them with pew-pew in gamma. Or you can go somewhere else, encourage other sairs to go somewhere else, until those guys raiding gamma get bored.
The only reason they keep going there is because other people keep fighting them there, and fiercely.
I used to have 5 corsair ships, 4 of them were based in Freeport 1, I kept the bomber based on crete, to help ocasionally against OC raids.
Home system =/= Safe heaven
There aren't Safe heavens, O91 and O94 being more secured than Gamma is fail to me, but that's a matter for another thread, Guard systems are fail, at least a great part of them, specially two for the same NPC faction.
Corsair - Zoner - Lusitano - 02-07-2012
Well again my posts ignored or don't care! No problem maybe some can read this and think before what some IDs say!
Do you all remember some time ago, let's say a bit after the first Zoner - Corsair war? There was all quiet but ... not far .. on Delta a new war! BHG vs Zoners and Order. Do you remember? I do! I was there on the first fight that "lead" to war, like the BHG said, and shot then after FP11 started to fire against BHG Core ships .. yes it did! Later ...a lot a fuss .. on forum and even in game .. bla bla .. "you did that and that" a lot of screenshots on forum and all that .. and there was a another combat and that one i wasn't there! But i saw all reports and images and talked to alot players! And on that combat the BHG went to FP11 in full power and found a lot of Zoners and Order ships and ... the BHG was losing! Yes they were losing until ... a fleet of Corsairs showed and started to shoot Order and Zoners, and BHG won .. with the help of an unlawfull faction!!! Zoners complain but nothing was done!
And now i see some complain about BHG ships are raiding Gamma at the same time that the Hessians ... isn't history repeating itself but this time ... the sides are diferent! Funny isn't it?
Ok guys i'm stoping posting on this topic!!! Is useless not only for me but ... to all!! Is like i said before .. is like a car stuck in the mud, no matter how much power and how much the wheels spin, the car don't move.
Take care guys, have fun ... if you can!
Corsair - Zoner - ... kur nubėgo? - 02-07-2012
' Wrote:And now i see some complain about BHG ships are raiding Gamma at the same time that the Hessians ... isn't history repeating itself but this time ... the sides are diferent! Funny isn't it?
Except for the fact that corsair - bhg relations at the time weren't right out of the bat. And there was long inRP nagiotiations about how factions will interact in omicron systems.
Corsair - Zoner - Not Espi - 02-07-2012
dude, lusitano, calm down. people are here to shoot other people. that would be a fact.
Corsair - Zoner - lousal - 02-07-2012
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Corsair - Zoner - Rodnas - 02-07-2012
A quick reminder here:
only because errors were made in the past you are not forced to do them again- or the other way round: You cannot reason that rp failures and ignoring rules like IDs is ok just because someone broke rules in the past.
how was that son? "they say two wrongs don't make one right?"
I think Peter Dingo made some very good remarks about the Zoners and the problems the bloodfrenzy indies maneuver them into- namely the soon irrevocably loss of neutrality and believability.
Hope the situation gets clearer soon, this whole zoner-corsair thing is way to personal for too many people!
Corsair - Zoner - leonidos - 02-07-2012
After reading from all your post and discussion I think I understand the problem:
The problem is mostly with caps raiding from freeports rather than with snubs. Is that right? I guess yes. So i think a possible solution:
1) bring back the guard id
2) make the guard id is mandetory for caps like cruiser and bs class
3) a pilots with a guard id can not dock on any bases other than thier own and faction allied
4) introduce special zoi of guard id which excludes all core worlds( main systems e.g. Guard systems and main planets of houses and criminals ).
5) player with guard id can only act in thier own systems and border worlds of others( like corsair caps can go to chembridge but not in new london and order can go to alaska but not in NY).
I belive this will restrict the cap raiding as this will remove docking rights of all cap ships other than zoner and order caps( gmg has no caps ) also this same works for all other factions which reduce capspamming to a limit. Its not heavily effective but can control to some extent.