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RE: Remove pulses from gates and stations? - Highland Laddie - 01-27-2015
Pulses do no real harm. Annoying.....sure, but so what. People are annoying, too, yet we're still playing the game. Leaving all server activity solely in the hands of pirate PvP pros would also be annoying. Zoners are annoying. Gallic lore is annoying. And the list goes on.
Playing this game was never a guarantee you won't be annoyed. Deal with it.
RE: Remove pulses from gates and stations? - Leppy - 01-27-2015
Leppy Wrote:I'm just loving the new wave of threads appearing complaining about people being unable to *EASILY* camp next to an inRP-defended point in space and impose their will (read get free blues) there.
Having the ease with which camping a jumpgate allows catching other players helpless and unawares must be offset by something that gives those players a fighting chance to escape as well. This comes in the form of the current jumpgate pulses. They discourage hostile capital ships from sitting there and essentially insta-killing targets as soon as they pop out.
However, snubs and even most gunboats can avoid the pulses if you take the time to keep moving. Even if you do get hit, there is no possibility of you being killed by the pulse shot alone.
Someone please explain how this is a bad thing other than that it makes it oh so hard to get free piracy targets.
(01-06-2015, 10:20 PM)Lythrilux Wrote:(01-06-2015, 10:16 PM)Leppy Wrote: Someone please explain how this is a bad thing other than that it makes it oh so hard to get free piracy targets.How are they any more 'free' piracy targets as they are to pirating at the lanes?
Jumpgate hostiles have the inherent bonuses described above on the average target that the same hostile would not have at a tradelane. Therefore there must be a disadvantage to jumpgate hostiles that somewhat discourages them and/or makes it more difficult.
- Warning
Someone coming out of a gate can't see anything about what is on the other side until they have already arrived and you are sitting 3 inches from their front viewport. Tradelanes at least give you a scanner warning (with the pretty red/white/green text) if you are coming up on someone.
- Escape 1
Someone coming out of a jump gate has no ability to jump back through the gate they came due to the automatic built-in jump delay. Someone coming through a tradelane can immediately turn right back around and go back the way they are coming.
- Escape 2
This last one relates closely to the Warning portion. Someone coming out of a gate is a motionless target hanging in space after they complete the jump with the possibility of the hostile flying to within inches of them while they load the new system. What chances does even a battletransport have to escape from a pirate starting with an encounter distance and movement of 0? Compare that to the chances a battletransport would have to escape a pirate starting an encounter with a distance of 3.5k and already oriented to their surroundings?
The current guns in no way make jumpgate piracy/camping/hostility impossible. They simply make it more difficult as they should.
And yes, I do fly pirate characters. A RH cruiser, a rogue barghest, and an indy bomber. Prior to the introduction of the jump gate guns, pirating a gate was a joke with how easy it was especially compared to doing it in the middle of a lane.
Just going to toss these replies here from the previous thread about nerfing jumpgate guns. I didn't see these points refuted in the previous thread so feel free to in this one. Pulses are the main "threat" that the jumpgates have and shouldn't be touched.
RE: Remove pulses from gates and stations? - Pavel - 01-27-2015
Jumpgate defenses are ok as they are now. Nice safe spot out of range is within the gate itself.
RE: Remove pulses from gates and stations? - tothebonezone - 01-27-2015
I've returned from the dead to tell you how wrong you are about gate and station defenses.
Not only should they keep pulses, they should actually be even more devastating than they currently are. You're not asking for pulses to be removed for easier travel (Which you shouldn't be using gates as pirates anyway. Remember how Trent was locked out from going anywhere without codes? It's actually harder to traverse systems in Freelancer than it is entire countries in real life) but you're asking for pulses to be removed so you can camp the very arteries of Houses with little to no repercussions. Gates should be loaded with pulses and turrets that'll bust down your hull. Sure, make them easy for fighters to dodge. 400, 500m/s travel speed, no problemo, but they should be slowly tearing apart battleships and cruisers, as well as scaring off smaller craft.
You want piracy to be easier? Don't bark up the tree that handles the station defenses. Go on a tirade about sensors again. Complain about super transports having thrusters.
You shouldn't be using gates as a pirate. You shouldn't be camping gates. And you shouldn't be able to dive within the turret range of a MILITARY STATION without being brained by the defenses.