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RE: The Zoner Consensus | A place for your voice. - Stefan - 05-12-2018


Name: Allan Brahms Fawkes
Affiliation: The Seraphim
Topic: Consensus Multiplex
What do you have to say?: Indeed, diplomacy should be sought before such a project is restarted. Besides finding who shall help construct it, however, I also find it important to add we should known how we would defend it, should it once again be attacked by forces with whom diplomacy has no effect. Do you have any location in mind, or are plans still centered on Kappa?
Topic: Gammuian Civilization
What do you have to say?: These... I don't even know how to call them. Individuals? Things? Creatures?

Well, they are certainly something I have next to zero experience with, and add to the fact that "diplomacy with machines" sounds like something out of a Friday movie, I don't know how much of use I can help or if my insights on the matter are even relevant. I will ask one of my team members opinion on this, however, and should the listed groups be short on man power I am certain he could provide some, even if unequal, level of assistance.

RE: The Zoner Consensus | A place for your voice. - moebus - 05-13-2018

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Name: Dankien Moebus
Affiliation: The Seraphim
Topic: Consensus Multiplex
What do you have to say?: I am sad to hear the station was destroyed. I might participate to supply the new one if my path goes to the omicrons, just let me know what you need.
Topic: Gammuian Civilization
What do you have to say?: I think it is a good idea to keep on diplomacy. Hopefully there will be a mutual acceptance between us and them. However, I would suggest to be very careful with them, anyway I am pretty sure you will take all necessary precautions.

RE: The Zoner Consensus | A place for your voice. - Doc Holliday - 05-13-2018

Name: Dr. John Holliday
Affiliation: Med Force Enterprises
Topic: Consensus Multiplex
What do you have to say?: I agree that the Multiplex is an essential installation for our work and should be re-constructed. We have enough contacts to where getting it built quicker should help. For more on this, see my next comments below.
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Topic: Gammuians
What do you have to say?: I recently had a positive experience with some AI's so it's a start of developing understanding. If approached, just stop and use public chat. Let them know that you are engaging a translator and do the same in powering down your weapons. Then, just answer their questions which were fairly simple. I was even transferred two Zoner pilots who were in their holds. They can be peacefully dealt with if you use some patience.
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RE: The Zoner Consensus | A place for your voice. - Stefan - 05-14-2018


Name: Allan Brahms Fawkes
Affiliation: The Seraphim
Topic: Consensus Multiplex
What do you have to say?: Earlier today I had a meeting with my team and discussed the points presented so far. I asked both Dr. Hayes and Hex about their inputs on the matter - their experience on the topic is far greater than mine - and they had insights to share that coalesced onto an opinion that I believe to be important to put forward here.

Regarding the Consensus Multiplex construction, we believe it to be important to do so only once the chance for more lives to be endangered is diminished. Ideally, we should starting diplomatic relationships before the actual construction - both to ascertain our safety, but to also give motive for said parties to care about the location.

As a whole, the construction of an outpost such as these represents a strategic asset. It can be used by and towards several goals, and it's these that must be made clear in order to speculation not run rampant. What we propose is to look for common conflicts between the four parties so far encountered - Corsairs, The Order, The Core and the Collective - and find ways to use our installation to work on their favor as well, not only on ours.

Onto the last point. We were talking about how the AI worked and moved together, and Hex came to a reasoning that I'll pass on to you.

Holding the argument that these entities work based on input and output, what have we done to sway their actions? It has been said that their desire to control the Kappa system is systematic - what if we became facilitators? Would they still see an installation as a problem should they have partial influence or access on it? Say, with telemetry or scientists working towards common analysis and information gathering about Kappa?

Taking into consideration what Dr. Holliday has showed us, it's clear that some degree of effort is in order to be spent so relationships can be improved before taking these steps.

I know that most of this may sound naive - specially considering my experience on the topic - but these are diplomatic alternatives to brute forcing a solution.

RE: The Zoner Consensus | A place for your voice. - moebus - 05-15-2018

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Name: Dankien Moebus
Affiliation: The Seraphim
Topic: Freeport 2
What do you have to say?: Well... after hearing all these rumors I needed to clarify the situation in Freeport 2. Did the zoners leave the station or did they surrender to pirates? As a matter of fact, pirates are now owning FP2 and another group of people is trying to take control of it. One pending question is: does this second group belongs to zoners? And should we help them?

So, I traveled to Bering to meet these people. I arrived in FP2 and met a group of Separatist and Coalition. They were around the freeport and the Separatist behaved as if they own it. After a quick talk the Separatist confirmed the zoners left the place before they arrived. Moreover, they stated that both the CoF and the government of Gran Canaria denounced the activity of the so called "zoner militia" and do not recognize them as zoners.

Of course I need to meet the zoner militia to have the complete version of the story, but at this point I was wondering if you had any information about the situation in Bering.

RE: The Zoner Consensus | A place for your voice. - Alessa Samson - 05-15-2018


Name: Prof. Dr. Alessa Samson
Affiliation: The Sol Project
Topic: Consensus Multiplex
What do you have to say?: There are indeed solid arguments. It will require diplomatic preparation and a solid logistic plan. We shouldn't forget that a huge part of the station which will be occupied by the Edgeworld University will be free for everyone. Nonetheless, I agree, we should demand a clear statement from the surrounding parties and do diplomatic agreements. After this has been finished we can review the situation and propably can figure out the tendencies about the political results of the construction plan.
Topic: Gammuian Civilization
What do you have to say?: I think we have a consensus with this. We will look into learning more about the Gammuian civilization and we will try to attempt more contacts. I also suggest and hope the Canaan Project will include their expertise in this.
Topic: Freeport 2
What do you have to say?: I am, aswell as anybody else on the Antarctica are not aware of the current situation at Freeport 2. It is good that you already have moved towards the region. I am certain that your investigation will allow us to figure out the situation over there.

RE: The Zoner Consensus | A place for your voice. - realekki - 05-15-2018



Name: Hagbard Celine
Affiliation: TAZ
Topic: consensus multiplex
What do you have to say?: building a base two times at the same location and see it grow up to a firework makes eris singing. do it a 3rd time under the same circumstances
and she will dance. if ya dont have the clearance of all ya neighbours befoere ya build - boooom and fireworks. if ya cant convince them look for another location or rename kappa into dance floor of eris.
Topic: Bering, ex FP2
What do you have to say?: well, the vast majority of the zoners had left the freeport befoere that so called jimmy whoever entered the scene. the others ran away as that "rat pack" took over control of this installation in a dead end with nothn more to offer than nothn, and a handful of zoners still life there, unharmed. i have been there every time from time to time cause they always have a need in our blessed amulets. the popes have never been harmed in bering, except a pirate who asks for a donation to feed his hungry children.
but at least: we are no zoners, we are the taz. zoners might see it completly different.

RE: The Zoner Consensus | A place for your voice. - PKPower - 05-15-2018


Name: James El Harady
Affiliation: The Canaan Project
Topic: Gammuian Civilization

What do you have to say?: So apparently our expertise is needed here, since Alessa threw in our project in her transmission.

We did have encounters with prvious instances of sentient artificial intelligence and had the chance to gather quite a bit of knowledge from that, as well as applying their way of engineering into our own research to an extent. I won't bore you with details, so here is what we know: The previous instance - the one we had the most contact with - seems to have gone offline with a few units roaming around the Omicrons without direction.

As of now there seem to be two new major instances. While we didn't have any mentionable encounters with the one known as the "Gammu AI", we did have quite the unfortunate first encounter with the one known as "The Collective". They seem hellbent on mechanizing everything living and defending Omicron Kappa from everyone they consider an intruder - in this case we were those intruders. This information is sourced from both our own research and interactions with an AI unit from the old PRIME collective that seeks to be integrated into the Collective.

In my oppinion staying out of Kappa would be an easy fix to the problem, but actively communicating with them might be an option. If anyone encounters them in the near future and is actually able to set up a meeting we will gladly attend. The same counts for us of course. We are still in the process of researching them, but if there is a chance for negotiation we will let you guys know.

RE: The Zoner Consensus | A place for your voice. - Doc Holliday - 05-16-2018

Name: Doc Holliday
Affiliation: Med Force Enterprises
Topic: Gammmuians.

Mr. El Harady, it was the group known as "The Gammuians" that attacked Med Force One in Omega 49. I believe they went by Aeon C'bal or something to that effect. I later received a transmission stating that I am a target of interest. I can only guess their intentions but I'm thinking that they want me as a subject of study. This wouldn't be the first time that something like this has happened, the first time with some Nomads. The records on that one remain sealed to this day but my study of them is ongoing.
That said, I have a Med Force ship in the Omicrons. Commander Alicia Cook commands it and she's had some experience with AI's. I'll be assigning her crew to study. I do plan on meeting the collective myself, especially if giving some of myself will save many.

Topic: Cayman
I have contacted the Coalition regarding Manatum base. I am awaiting official word from them but the initial response I received was positive. It would be a good base for us. Naturally protected by lava rocks to where large ships could not get close enough to be a threat yet not so far off the path that it is totally isolated. I will keep you all posted.

RE: The Zoner Consensus | A place for your voice. - Stefan - 06-08-2018

Name: Allan Brahms Fawkes
Affiliation: The Seraphim
Topic: Bering Situation: UN Contact
What do you have to say?: Guten Tag.

This morning something unexpected happen whilst reaching Munich with a shipment of supplies - I was requested, not forced in any way, to trade words with an Unioner Vessel identified as UN|KKS-Saarstahl regarding the Bering System and Zoner Militia situation. I will add the full log in the end of this record.

Saarstahl, or "L" as identified, stated that the situation has begun to turn even more sour after Militants brought capital ships to the area. The reason being, it seems, that they wanted to negotiate Freeport 2 being turned over to them once again, but said vessels ended up justifying everyone's intentions not to listen.

Either way, I was asked what was our stance on the situation and kept it rather open. I know that most - if not all - of us look down on the direction things have taken over there, but made it clear that we did not wish to see another occurrence where many civilians would lose their lives meaninglessly.

After that, I was asked if the Seraphim could evacuate willingly Zoners from the area if requested. My answer was once again categorical. I stated that if said individuals wanted to leave and we were reassured not to be harmed on the process, yes. "L" wasn't completely sure if other groups would not act against it, but I made it evident that such a thing would be necessary - having seen what Unioners are capable of I don't wish to jeopardize the safety of anyone shifting targets to a lesser defensive vessel.

Either way, it is important that we reach an opinion of this soon. If their intentions are as clear as they sound, we may be requested action not too long from now. See the log for additional information.

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