' Wrote:Agility is fine.

I can guarantee that if the maneuverability as nerfed to death, a decent bomber could still take down a fighter.

A decent gunboat could still get taken out by a better bomber. Its still a matter or skill. Remember the days when we all had duel novas? Those where the days:)

Bombers have been nerfed several times, and people still complain. The fact is, with each nerf, the pilot gets smarter faster and better at doing what he does. And if you nerf his ship enough, he will learn your technique you where doing with a gunboat and become a capital ship of equal or greater strength and take you down twice as hard as he would have with a bomber! :laugh:

Its a vicious circle. It goes on and on my friend. And the hundreds of posts about the same ships have come up time and time again, ending in the exact same way.

Just increases my post count:cool:

' Wrote:Okay, bombers aren't overpowered.

Good VHF pilots know how to avoid coming in, straight line, shields down against a bomber. Dodge for ten seconds till your shields pop up and oh your hard to kill again.

Second, good pilots of gunboats who sit in turret mode, strafe, aim, and have a missile are nearly unbeatable.

And any ship bigger than a gunboat that gets solo-ed is terrible. End of story. You realize that two hits with all of your turrets cause us destruction, and you complain that 2 shots that move 500m/s and use all of our power supply is unfair to kill you? o.0

Granted its hard to hit a target thats tiny, try whittling away 250,000 shield points 3 times (bats) and then 240k hull (x2.5 hull if you have brains) a few times (bots). Honestly I have to shoot through 750k of shields and a million and a half of hull to kill a Liberty Cruiser, that is a lot of hits while dodging fire.

Lastly, sorry, but any capship above a gunboat is simply a weapons platform, very little maneuvering skill involved, simply aiming. Want to fly a ship where the top pilots can beat the odds considerably (ie killing a few fighters and its gunboat escort?), get in a bomber. Craziest ride you'll ever have.

The only problem I see is that caps, even when properly guarded (lets say a GB and 2 VHFS), can still be killed by 2 bombers because its quite hard to shoot down bombers quickly. I think the firepower of VHFs should be slightly increased universally... it'd make little difference in VHF versus VHF fights, but would make VHFs better against bombers.

' Wrote:One well flown cruiser or GB can beat a well flown bomber.

Please stop making threads when you lose, it only gets annoying.

I was fighting Zach's cruiser after my ally fell, and I got a few SN hits on hul,, but ultimately he won.

The next hour I was in Liberty and took down a cruiser and 2 GBs.

The difference? Zach dodged (Yes, you can dodge in caps, and pretty well, if you know how), the GB/Cruiser pilots sat still and tried to kill me in turret mode, so I just kept my distance, and laid into them.

Also, caps shouldn't be able to take out smaller ships solo.... They should have escorts, because you decide to fly solo is not a reason for a nerf to bombers.

Also, 4.85 caps will be kind of the same, but with escorts, you'll usually win... balancing has been done very well, please stop moaning about the current situation when the problem has already been resolved.

Quote:As it stands, caps are pretty damn useless (smalelr ones especily) against bombers. I mean whats the point of having one if a single bomber can take you out easily. It doesnt make good sense, period.

Quote:As it stands, caps are pretty damn useless (smalelr ones especily) against bombers. I mean whats the point of having one if a single bomber can take you out easily. It doesnt make good sense, period.

' Wrote:If a single bomber can take you out in a Gunboat, you aren't flying it right.

' Wrote:Want some cheese with that whine?

Aright, I don't feel like reading 5 pages of this stupid debate, because it's wrong. Skill trumps here. I'm pretty good in a bomber, I can take most GBs down one on one.

Guess what? Bombers are built to take down caps! GBs are the weakest caps, therefore they should be able to be taken down one on one. What the hell do you want bombers good against? Nothing?

And give me a break, I've taken down three bombers at once in a GB. They are easy to snuff if you can fly your ship right.

Honestly, get better and more experienced before whining because you got raped by a few bombers. "onoz they beet me, tiem to compalin on teh forumz aboot how bomburz r to strogn!!1!"

Yeah, call it a flame. It probably is. I'm just ****ing sick of people running around in their shiny new cap without any fighter support, getting owned by a few bombers because they blow at combat, then making a thread complaining that bombers are too strong.