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RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - nOmnomnOm - 09-11-2017
(09-11-2017, 07:18 PM)Wesker Wrote: I don't know what world you live in, how you pvp, or if you pvp at all really. But in discovery, this server, nukes and Cds are the most effective ways to kill someone, not MRing, not gunning them down. Nukes are used by everyone, pros and noobs for a reason, you don't see your less than average pvp clown using codename 3.03s and winning. With a vet, you might though.
Thank you for proving my point, Wesker.
You literally with your own words proved my point.
Lost? You admitted that Nuclear Mines are the most effective way to kill vets. Why? They require the least amount of skill out of everything currently PLUS they do high damage.
I'm not 100% happy with nucs... i'd like them to be a bit more damaging, but for the most part it's one of the only holding things that gives players a chance against vets.
While saying that , vets can just as easily spam a magical CD right when a noob deploys a mine. I dont know how you guys do it but you do it all the time and end with a win.
Basically, though, the mines help to close the gap.
Thanks for the support, Whiskers. I'm having a good laugh at how you fell right into agreeing with me.
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - nOmnomnOm - 09-11-2017
(09-11-2017, 07:25 PM)Yber Wrote: words
Can you please stop flooding?
honestly.... 50% or more of your commentary is flood-based with no debate value.
Please clean it. Otherwise, I wont read the cancer.
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - Wesker - 09-11-2017
????????
Yea you're right, I agree with vasko good change proposals.
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - Yber - 09-11-2017
(09-11-2017, 07:33 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: Can you please stop flooding?
honestly.... 50% or more of your commentary is flood-based with no debate value.
Please clean it. Otherwise, I wont read the cancer.
Excuse me your lordship for actually taking you in the slighest bit seriously, it was absolutely my bad and it was short sighted of me to not realize you are completely and throughly a lost case.
It's not that there's no "debate value" in my posts, it's that you can't argue with them because you know you are wrong and you can't pull yourself together LOL.
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - Jack_Henderson - 09-11-2017
Classy discussion.
Point remains: snub pvp is too exclusive, and too unattractive to even start it for a majority of players.
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - Yber - 09-11-2017
again that's a matter of game design. put a csgo newbie with the pros and you'll get the same result. that's why divisions exist, so that players compete with people of similar skill levels.
with the game's population and the design it has there is nothing to change as the "problem" lies in its core mechanics. in most games dodging is just about moving your mouse and clicking, if at all. in freelancer, maneuvering and dodging are mechanics for the most part unique. if you modify the game to the point of these not existing you kill the game.
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - Wesker - 09-11-2017
(09-11-2017, 07:45 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Classy discussion.
Point remains: snub pvp is too exclusive, and too unattractive to even start it for a majority of players.
I'm getting a new laptop sooner than later that will enable me to make video tutorials and show people what it looks like from my perspective.
When I can ill start posting videos.
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - Jack_Henderson - 09-11-2017
@Wesker : It's not going to change a thing, Wesker. Tutorials are a nice gesture of those who know how to do it, but they do not change it for the mass of the players. It gets a little more accessible (if you e.g. explain "engine kill"), but how far is someone who profits from this advice from winning his first snub pvp? Incredibly far.
Disco snub pvp needs a chance for the mass of player to succeed, to win. And that's where we likely disagree. In Disco - if you are honest - it's like this: If you pvp someone who is better, you lose. Every. Single. Time. Without any chance. You cannot even be lucky. You'll lose. Without even a chance of getting any incentive of "hey, I should get better". At the contrary, you get punished by being pvp-dead.
These factors make snub pvp very unattractive to new/inexperineced/average (= the mass of) players and no video, no tutorial will change that. It's appreciated that you want to do something, but I fear it will not do much and it is not the way.
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - nOmnomnOm - 09-11-2017
Yber
TLDR
I'm saying things how it is.
Sidewinder can be countered and i am not against guns
I just want to have the chances for less skilled people go up.
This is what I preach. this is what this topic is about
WHY is PVP difficult? Why does there need to be tutorials that even then DO LITTLE to help the average player.
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - Jack_Henderson - 09-11-2017
can we lock this thread?