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RE: Critique About the System Name Change - pillow - 07-22-2019
(07-22-2019, 06:07 PM)Durandal Wrote: The new names, if anything, are truer to the current state of things than the former.
nobody cares
if you make a poll 99% of the community prefers the old names because of the reasons listed above
just because "its not the end of the world' it doesnt mean its a good thing
it wasnt the end of the world to remove all armors and shields and thrusters besides the used ones from the game but because of that the game lost some flavor (couldve prolly repurposed them, at least the shields/thrusters with some gimmicky things)
it prolly wouldnt be the end of the world to remove pobs either but hey we arent doing that so why did you do this entirely unnecessary thing
same with california minor getting renamed wtf
oh and as lyth said why would every other house agree to renaming their star charts to the gallic versions considering that most factions in the game consider gallia to be a threat
you tellin me gallia hacked into everyones ships and changed the names real sneakily and nobody bothered to change them back
please
RE: Critique About the System Name Change - Megaera - 07-22-2019
But are the Gaians going to be renamed now?
RE: Critique About the System Name Change - Lanakov - 07-22-2019
Read a book. Or another. Or yet another.
Cliff note of my point : the naming of a place is one of many tools in regards to influence, by which I mean the strategic concept. Like Justin said, these systems have been de facto a part of Gallia for almost a decade ; now they are simply de jure, as well. Renaming them means an actual administrative integration rather than mere claim. Check the examples above. Geographic charters base themselves off the entity in control, not the claimant or dispossessed. I could give very recent examples of that, but we'd fall into controversy.
To hear talk of pro-gallia this and bias that about a mere renaming utterly, decisively boggles my mind. This is a coherent, logical path to take and it COULD generate very interesting RP repercussions. I will make sure it does on the Gallic side. You can sit here and bitch about yet another thing, or you can integrate it to your stories and character motivations to great effect. "Die gaul scum" gets old.
RE: Critique About the System Name Change - pillow - 07-22-2019
(07-22-2019, 06:29 PM)Lanakov Wrote: Read a book. Or another. Or yet another.
Cliff note of my point : the naming of a place is one of many tools in regards to influence, by which I mean the strategic concept. Like Justin said, these systems have been de facto a part of Gallia for almost a decade ; now they are simply de jure, as well. Renaming them means an actual administrative integration rather than mere claim. Check the examples above. Geographic charters base themselves off the entity in control, not the claimant or dispossed. I could give very recent examples of that, but we'd fall into controversy.
To hear talk of pro-gallia this and bias that about a mere renaming utterly, decisively boggles my mind. This is a coherent, logical path to take and it COULD generate very interesting RP repercussions. I will make sure it does on the Gallic side. You can sit here and ***** about yet another thing, or you can integrate it to your stories and character motivations to great effect. "Die gaul scum" gets old.
here we have an example of someone who has extensive gallic bias simply because this man french and so is king charles
i dont think anyone cares about gallia and how its winning things, they care about pointless systems being renamed, infocards that will (undoubtedly) take forever to update, lore inconsistencies, confusion, etcetera etcetera
rename discovery systems all you want (even thats kinda gay if you ask me, especially when a system like orkney has been, as justin said, under gallic command for a decade and has been in discovery, as "orkney", for more than that) but dont touch vanilla stuff
RE: Critique About the System Name Change - Lanakov - 07-22-2019
Then that is a terrible thing to be whining about, and to make such loud noise about so petty a thing, when confronted with interesting narrative opportunities, doesn't say much about one's inner capacities.
Remember, not so long ago, when the entire community whined about things staying stagnant and the slightest change taking forever ? Yeah, me too.
Now let's cry about bold moves and the storyline finally evolving past everyone's comfort zone.
RE: Critique About the System Name Change - pillow - 07-22-2019
(07-22-2019, 06:35 PM)Lanakov Wrote: Then that is a terrible thing to be whining about, and to make such loud noise about so petty a thing, when confronted with interesting narrative opportunities, doesn't say much about one's inner capacities.
while i agree that its stupid to be whining about it, why was it changed in the first place
it was so painfully unnecessary; along with so many other things that got changed (looking at you delta system layout, urgh) that NOBODY liked, but never got reverted
things that are "too unimportant to whine about" have been building up into a gigantic pile of small things for years
the little things in a videogame can turn a bad game into a decent one and a good game into a great one
changing good, established stuff because of ???????? just makes people upset and it tears away at discovery's past which many people are fond of
a good example is, again, delta: people have been waiting for the old layout to return for years and its still not back
why?
fuck knows
exact same thing will happen with these systems and cali minor and everything else
(07-22-2019, 06:35 PM)Lanakov Wrote: Remember, not so long ago, when the entire community whined about things staying stagnant and the slightest change taking forever ? Yeah, me too.
Now let's cry about bold moves and the storyline finally evolving past everyone's comfort zone.
i'd honestly love for things to remain stagnant forever instead of the things i love getting changed into inferior versions
in what universe would i prefer an inferior thing over an evidently superior thing just because the inferior thing is "a change"
wtf
RE: Critique About the System Name Change - Spectre - 07-22-2019
The war isn't even a decade old to Sirians, and the system's only been occupied for 7 years, but sure. Let's go with that.
The argument here isn't that it's dev bias or that Gallia is op or that we should delete herobrine or some nonsense. It's assuming that every faction in Sirius is going to accept that the star charts suddenly changed to display 'Brittany and Aquitaine' instead of 'Orkney and Edinburgh'. Leeds has been Agincourt for about as long as Edinburgh has been Aquitaine, yet it's not been renamed even though it's been occupied by Gallia for as long as there has been a ZoI for GRN in California.
EDIT: There's also the vanilla thing. Yeah. Vanilla is sacred.
RE: Critique About the System Name Change - Lanakov - 07-22-2019
It's a valid concern, Spectre, one I've attempted to clear with my examples above. I'm going with the notion that there exists some sort of neutral pan-sector institution that handles spatial cartography, and much like current day UN, steers clear from meddling in. There are tons of examples in our history where the victor simply said, well, this is ours now and we choose to name it thus. It's been happening for centuries.
I agree with you that Leeds ought to have become Agincourt (bit of a silly name, we French adore irony but not to that extent) a while back if we go by that logic. I'm thinking that it sitting so close to the frontlines makes it a contested area still, unlike... Bretagne and Aquitaine.
RE: Critique About the System Name Change - Durandal - 07-22-2019
Phantom, you were telling me how great this change was on Discord this morning in, if I recall, full caps. You've gone and edited it to a more meek and mild "the fall of new london is at hand", and come here to make war and chest thump on the forums, because outrage is in vogue.
Shame on you.
Proofless statement rescinded.
Re: the use of the word decade - prefaced by 'almost' in all uses by Lanakov and I.
RE: Critique About the System Name Change - pillow - 07-22-2019
(07-22-2019, 06:45 PM)Durandal Wrote: Phantom, you were telling me how great this change was on Discord this morning in, if I recall, full caps. You've gone and edited it to a more meek and mild "the fall of new london is at hand", and come here to make war and chest thump on the forums, because outrage is in vogue.
Shame on you.
I'm sorry, what? What are you talking about?
My edit was 'the fall od new london is at hand". Od, changed into of.
You are awful.
Edit: Legitimately awful.
Edit 2: For the record, I didn't say anything about it and I thought it was dumb from the start.
pillowToday at 6:17 AM
the fall of new london is at hand
I said this for the meme. As you should know by know. That I meme.
Edit 27341:
(07-22-2019, 06:45 PM)Durandal Wrote: Phantom, you were telling me how great this change was on Discord this morning in, if I recall, full caps. You've gone and edited it to a more meek and mild "the fall of new london is at hand", and come here to make war and chest thump on the forums, because outrage is in vogue.
Shame on you.
Proofless statement rescinded.
Thanks.