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Superior Phantom ships/weapons - Cyro - 03-15-2009
I somehow think they should be a bit uber... I always saw Nomads, Phantoms, etc stronger than other factions. But that's just me. I voted 5%.
Superior Phantom ships/weapons - Zelot - 03-15-2009
Uhm.. Unsille the last Phantom flame came about a month and a half ago when people found out the Phantoms were getting the RC exclusively. Any time anything happens with the Phantoms, there is a flame. I am waiting for the Huntress flames honestly. "How come the Phantoms get a ship exclusively that no one else wanted? Wha wha wha" I give it two weeks before that thread shows up, if any of us actually decide to fly it.
Superior Phantom ships/weapons - swift - 03-15-2009
Frankly, I don't see any flames. Nor have I had complaints about other factions so far, or their eventual advantages.
I have nothing against the Phantoms, but in fact I pretty much like them, cause they add flavor to the bland universe.
But better weapons? Hm.. Well I'd say not, and if will, not more than 5% or 10%.
Not cause you don't deserve it, because I don't know if you do or don't, but cause it gives an impression of elitism, and people just get envious and we'll get a trend of people claiming they deserve this or that.
If it were up to me, the Nyx would be one of the most agile fighters out there, or have a stronger hull for balance, us being outnumbered, or frankly the infocard of the ship stating it's fearsomeness. But I am still satisfied this way anyways.
Superior Phantom ships/weapons - Unseelie - 03-15-2009
Sorry, I missed that one. But I understand the flames. If you don't...well, surely you do. I'm happy the phantoms exist. Do they deserve the hate? Probably not. But they're going to get it, and I understand that. Its just how people operate. They even deserve their own shipline....to the same extent that anyone else does. They already get a lot of special treatment, and hold a special status. I don't believe its fair to give them better guns.
You know when the BAF last got flamed? Yesterday, by 2 people, on the forums. Today, by one.
Superior Phantom ships/weapons - BaconSoda - 03-15-2009
' Wrote:I'm going to go with equal, most phantoms are the best pilots on the server.. so they can handle being out numbered.
Hey, I love stereotypes.
' Wrote:0%
outnumbered isnt not valid point since all get outnumbered in some point in time.
But they do have best pilots on the server and huge amount of experience. With better equip nobody would have any chance against them if numbers are equal.
But that is just me...when this discussion was led on devs forums i had hard time deciding...
Hey, look at those stereotypes.
' Wrote:This is a great time for me to mention my one idea: a CD that does shield damage, that'd be something!
I like this guy for just this reason. That's a good idea...
' Wrote:All in all, I don't think they should have the best weapons and guns.
Being a phantom is already a big thing. They already have some advantages over the rules.
Now, I'v seen like 100 discussions, pvp whoring versus exceptional RP.
If they do want better equipment then they are just burying themselves.
I really think they should be the first ones to complain about better equip they got in 4.85.
If they don't, then everyone has the right to call them simple pvp whores.
Much more then in 4.84, where they used Catamarans, Taiidans, Sabres, whatever.
Erm, wait, we have an advantage over the rules? Can I see it? I'd love to see it....
Also, in my time being in the Phantoms, we've had two Catamarans, one who had an extensive story that was shown in a special RP request, and one who was kicked out (ZOMG people get kicked out of the Phantoms? I've never heard that!). We've had one Taiidan, which I got rid of to go along with my story, which is also played out in a special RP request. Look at that, it's like we adhere to the rules or something.
Stereotyping us Phantoms is awesome, isn't it? I just flew from New Berlin through Colorado RPing my way up hunting one person, and now I look at this. We aren't the best pilots, we don't have any advantages over the rules, we have to RP, we have to be a good example for new players. What is so different between us and any other factions on the server? We're required to have exceptional RP experience on the server, that's it...
Back on topic, better guns? Well, it depends on your view of the Phantoms. If you think we're a technologically advanced faction, then we do deserve them, but if you think that Fairplay is better than Roleplay, then, forget it. I personally don't care if we have better guns, ships, or whatever. Hell, I just want my Stinger with 2 Nomads 2 Blue Blaze a Tizona and a Firestaker back instead of this Raven's Claw (Or whatever it's called now). But, you know, to be a part of a group dedicated to excellent RP I gave up that mercenary ship and adopted a Raven's Claw last version, and this version I had to get rid of what was one of my favorite loadouts because we now have standard weapons. Look at that, we got those guns and ships so that people would stop bitching about Phantoms, and now people are saying that we asked for them to be better. Go figure. I don't care about how much better the guns, ships, or whatever are. I'm damn proud to Roleplay as a Phantom, and that's what I am in the faction to do.
EDIT: I also voted 0%, and I'm in the faction.
Superior Phantom ships/weapons - farmerman - 03-15-2009
First of all, I'd like to see all guns balanced. The whole point of balancing is so that things are, you know, balanced.
Quote:I happen to know for a fact, it doesnt matter what advantages we get, people are going to flame us. It is the way it has always been, I am sure it is the way it will aways be. These weapons or ships dont have any effect on people flaming the Phantoms.
I can't say that isn't the case, but I think them having their own line of ships will help this. For one thing, the times I have seen some Phantoms around, there were a lot of people complaining aloud about random people destroying them. I can sort of understand some ignorance if the ship seems the same as other factions - a distinct ship will now stand out.
I've seen complaints go way down since you lost the tag in the name, at least. The Phantoms really have horrible PR, for one thing. You guys need a diplomatic spokesman who can come out and calm things down. Or some more inter-factional forum roleplay. One thing is they've always seemed kind of aloof to me.
Superior Phantom ships/weapons - Zelot - 03-15-2009
' Wrote:Sorry, I missed that one. But I understand the flames. If you don't...well, surely you do. I'm happy the phantoms exist. Do they deserve the hate? Probably not. But they're going to get it, and I understand that. Its just how people operate. They even deserve their own shipline....to the same extent that anyone else does. They already get a lot of special treatment, and hold a special status. I don't believe its fair to give them better guns.
The Only real special status that the Phantoms hold is that they can attack traders without making a demand. Thats it. We also have everyone on the server wanted a Phantom kill. Every time a Phantom logs on 20 or so people who want the honor of getting a Phantom kill come chasing us. I had someone chase me three systems insulting me cause I wouldn't fight him? Special status? Yes, special status to be hunted by everyone everywhere. And you are right, people are going to flame the Phantoms no matter what. So we try not to take head of the flames and do whats best for our faction.
edit: Ktyan the Phantom roleplay is that we are aloof. We are better than the rest of the inhabitants of Siruis and we act that way. As for interacting roleplay, we tried that with the GMG not to long ago, and for the most part it was successful as an rp, but still ended in flames... go figure.
Superior Phantom ships/weapons - FooFighter - 03-15-2009
Zelot Wrote:Obviously we have to get rid of the Phantoms, there is no way for us to do anything without being attacked for it. Choppers previous post points to the reason. In 4.84 we were attacked for using other peoples ships, we then asked for our own ship line, but no modeler wanted to make them, so ships were assigned to us because they didn't really fit elsewhere in the mod(Ask how many of us wanted the Huntress). We were attacked for using other people's weapons, so we get our own weapons and we are attacked by people. I find it interesting that the Nomads have by far the best weapons in the game, but I have yet to see a thread complaining about it. Where is that thread? Screw it, just give us water guns and starfliers, because that is what so many people here want. I always do wonder why the Phantoms get so much grief, when other factions with similar benifits do not.
I think that might be because the Phantoms are, unlike the Keepers, pretty much a PvP-oriented (if not -only) faction.
Yes, I'm well aware that you've got quite a lot of great forum RP stories. But what's about ingame-RP? I'm quite sure that most (if not all) of you are great RPers, but everytime I see a Phantom, all they do is pewpewing stuff. The Phantoms, a faction supported by superior technology, with every single member being a elite transhuman operative, bent on creating and spreading anarchy throughout the Sirius sector so their masters can take it over without too much bloodshed among their troops...it's certainly a good concept, with a lot of potential. But why do I only see the Phantoms operating as either as deathsquad or (as some may say) OORP-cleanup-tool?
How's about taking a different approach to achieve your goals? You've got plenty of resources, a good hideout...why not try out something more shadowy, secretive instead of the torture-murder-pvpwhoring (sorry, but that *is* all I've experienced from Phantoms so far)? Start to use private comms, try to manipulate people to do the work for you. Start using private comms. Work out some events that do not involve making something explode, and maybe people will complain less about you.
Superior Phantom ships/weapons - Unseelie - 03-15-2009
You know what I said in my first post? I said, not in so many words, that I thought unbalancing things in the phantom's favor would be a horrible move for the faction. It would not be healthy. Trust me when I say I have some inkling of an understanding of what you face, and trust me when I say I've seen the hate. Been around long enough to understand the ins and outs, to know what is and is not a steryotype, and to struggle to get my once ever phantom kill, on the person who I'm told was at the time the worst of the lot. If I had that screen, I'd wear it like a badge of honor, because that was a great acomplishment. So I understand, too, how people could want that kill, not because they hated you, but because, well...its a phantom kill. Its friggin cool. Phantom Glock was killed by [SA]Kayvesk? That was amazing.
On another note, I've had people chase me farther, doing the same...actually, I think you eventually killed me. Course, you meant them to be RP insults, this guy might not have. Didn't feel that way to me. Felt horrid. So, trust me, I understand.
EDIT: Oh, and guys, I've had actual ongoing ingame RP with two different phantoms. Sophie's invited one to her wedding. That was also great. They're good at it.
Superior Phantom ships/weapons - Zelot - 03-15-2009
' Wrote:I think that might be because the Phantoms are, unlike the Keepers, pretty much a PvP-oriented (if not -only) faction.
Yes, I'm well aware that you've got quite a lot of great forum RP stories. But what's about ingame-RP? I'm quite sure that most (if not all) of you are great RPers, but everytime I see a Phantom, all they do is pewpewing stuff. The Phantoms, a faction supported by superior technology, with every single member being a elite transhuman operative, bent on creating and spreading anarchy throughout the Sirius sector so their masters can take it over without too much bloodshed among their troops...it's certainly a good concept, with a lot of potential. But why do I only see the Phantoms operating as either as deathsquad or (as some may say) OORP-cleanup-tool?
How's about taking a different approach to achieve your goals? You've got plenty of resources, a good hideout...why not try out something more shadowy, secretive instead of the torture-murder-pvpwhoring (sorry, but that *is* all I've experienced from Phantoms so far)? Start to use private comms, try to manipulate people to do the work for you. Start using private comms. Work out some events that do not involve making something explode, and maybe people will complain less about you.
Then I think you have not had many interactions with Phantoms, also, the problem is, when we start to talk to people, they start to shoot. Same reason the Keepers are involved in alot of PVP. To say the Phantoms is a "PVP" faction just goes to show the skewed view people have of it. The main problem is tat when people see the Phantom ID, it means to them that it's PVP time. You try and RP in your fighter when you have 5 fighters and 2 caps attacking you. We do RP, we do it in private comms, we do it in group chat, we do it in system chat, none the less, when people see Phantoms, they dont want to roleplay, they want to attack us. If you are ever there for the beginning of a Phantom interaction, you will see a whole lot of rp, but yes, once the pew pew starts, it's hard for us to continue to type in messages when we are getting attacked usually at least 2 to 1.
God I wish I could get on the server so I could stop paying attention to this thread.