(06-10-2020, 10:45 AM)Lonely_Ghost Wrote:

(06-10-2020, 09:51 AM)Lythrilux Wrote:

(06-10-2020, 09:35 AM)Lonely_Ghost Wrote:

(06-10-2020, 08:07 AM)darkwind Wrote: the less ganking, then better. it should be done by local factions instead of coming lolwuts from all Sirius.

the server should not be targeting lolwut PvP as main direction.

Nothing restricts lolwuts from turning their turtles into a bunch of Legates/Makos/Ozys and rolling around Omics and "red-is-dead"-ing everything.

This would however be far more constructive to the region in the long-term, and is easier to deal with within the rules. I would much rather see local ships playing their roles, than foreign ships taking those roles away from them. Regional ID'd lolwuts > foreign lolwuts.

I won't argue, that local ID'd lolwuts are better than out of ZOI lolwuts in terms of RP and common sense, but in terms of ganking, being overwhelmed by turtles or legates doesn't feels to be much different.
So addressing primary problem, that nearly every faction is trigger happy towards nomads, it is simply required to make several more "hot" activity hubs around the map. Especially cap missions.

Why focusing on caps? Cap lolwuts new players are curse and blessing in the same time. I guess, everyone know the "curse" side. But the good side- they can generate activity in the region. 4.85 had tons of examples like Sairs vs OCs; OCs vs IMG/CR; Sairs vs RHs; RHs vs RNCs; RNCs vs LNSs; BAFs vs KNFs; LNSs/BCOREs vs Orders
I wont argue, there were ganking episodes, however, most enjoyable battles were right at the time, when both forces were equal.

(06-10-2020, 11:40 AM)RedEclipse Wrote: Spread diversity of mission locations with same income, it will make people stuck in their zone of influence to enjoy grind fest somehow RP-justified, would fix most of problem.

(06-10-2020, 10:50 AM)Lythrilux Wrote:

(06-10-2020, 10:45 AM)Lonely_Ghost Wrote:

(06-10-2020, 09:51 AM)Lythrilux Wrote:

(06-10-2020, 09:35 AM)Lonely_Ghost Wrote:

(06-10-2020, 08:07 AM)darkwind Wrote: the less ganking, then better. it should be done by local factions instead of coming lolwuts from all Sirius.

the server should not be targeting lolwut PvP as main direction.

Nothing restricts lolwuts from turning their turtles into a bunch of Legates/Makos/Ozys and rolling around Omics and "red-is-dead"-ing everything.

This would however be far more constructive to the region in the long-term, and is easier to deal with within the rules. I would much rather see local ships playing their roles, than foreign ships taking those roles away from them. Regional ID'd lolwuts > foreign lolwuts.

I won't argue, that local ID'd lolwuts are better than out of ZOI lolwuts in terms of RP and common sense, but in terms of ganking, being overwhelmed by turtles or legates doesn't feels to be much different.
So addressing primary problem, that nearly every faction is trigger happy towards nomads, it is simply required to make several more "hot" activity hubs around the map. Especially cap missions.

Why focusing on caps? Cap lolwuts new players are curse and blessing in the same time. I guess, everyone know the "curse" side. But the good side- they can generate activity in the region. 4.85 had tons of examples like Sairs vs OCs; OCs vs IMG/CR; Sairs vs RHs; RHs vs RNCs; RNCs vs LNSs; BAFs vs KNFs; LNSs/BCOREs vs Orders
I wont argue, there were ganking episodes, however, most enjoyable battles were right at the time, when both forces were equal.

It feels very different if these ships are doing it out of ZoI. Activity generated in the region is good. But people want to see it on IDs that actually belong there. Not random capitals that break the roleplay environment. Anti-Nomad missions feel like a specialist role geared more towards local groups of that region. I strongly disagree that the answer is to expand that role out of the Omicrons, as that's pretty much the root of the problem here. Let locals play their roles. If people want to contribute, encourage them to create a ship of that role.

(06-10-2020, 12:08 PM)Lonely_Ghost Wrote:

(06-10-2020, 10:50 AM)Lythrilux Wrote:

(06-10-2020, 10:45 AM)Lonely_Ghost Wrote:

(06-10-2020, 09:51 AM)Lythrilux Wrote:

(06-10-2020, 09:35 AM)Lonely_Ghost Wrote: Nothing restricts lolwuts from turning their turtles into a bunch of Legates/Makos/Ozys and rolling around Omics and "red-is-dead"-ing everything.

This would however be far more constructive to the region in the long-term, and is easier to deal with within the rules. I would much rather see local ships playing their roles, than foreign ships taking those roles away from them. Regional ID'd lolwuts > foreign lolwuts.

I won't argue, that local ID'd lolwuts are better than out of ZOI lolwuts in terms of RP and common sense, but in terms of ganking, being overwhelmed by turtles or legates doesn't feels to be much different.
So addressing primary problem, that nearly every faction is trigger happy towards nomads, it is simply required to make several more "hot" activity hubs around the map. Especially cap missions.

Why focusing on caps? Cap lolwuts new players are curse and blessing in the same time. I guess, everyone know the "curse" side. But the good side- they can generate activity in the region. 4.85 had tons of examples like Sairs vs OCs; OCs vs IMG/CR; Sairs vs RHs; RHs vs RNCs; RNCs vs LNSs; BAFs vs KNFs; LNSs/BCOREs vs Orders
I wont argue, there were ganking episodes, however, most enjoyable battles were right at the time, when both forces were equal.

It feels very different if these ships are doing it out of ZoI. Activity generated in the region is good. But people want to see it on IDs that actually belong there. Not random capitals that break the roleplay environment. Anti-Nomad missions feel like a specialist role geared more towards local groups of that region. I strongly disagree that the answer is to expand that role out of the Omicrons, as that's pretty much the root of the problem here. Let locals play their roles. If people want to contribute, encourage them to create a ship of that role.

The main difference between being wrecked by joint lolwut forces consisting of GEB+LABC+PRAEF, and joint lolwut forces consisting of GEBx3 is: Ability to report attackers in first scenario.
In both scenarios you have the same outcome: Unpleasant contact with other players, who doesn't care much about others. The difference is just the image of ships shooting at you.
But I'm not saying it's good.
But at some point it's inevitable. There is an exclusive "something" and everyone wants to take a "peace" of it, acting like jerks breaking the rules or acting like jerks but within the rules.

Why not to spread it out in some way or another around the map? Then, Turtle lover would be playin within Rheinland and so on. Without violating server rules, and acting more or less inRP. And they will have at least a couple of reasons to log in, do something with their little Turtle or whatever and so on. And we got some profit- players in game, players doing things in the right way, and players having fun.

(06-10-2020, 12:15 PM)Lythrilux Wrote:

(06-10-2020, 12:08 PM)Lonely_Ghost Wrote:

(06-10-2020, 10:50 AM)Lythrilux Wrote:

(06-10-2020, 10:45 AM)Lonely_Ghost Wrote:

(06-10-2020, 09:51 AM)Lythrilux Wrote: This would however be far more constructive to the region in the long-term, and is easier to deal with within the rules. I would much rather see local ships playing their roles, than foreign ships taking those roles away from them. Regional ID'd lolwuts > foreign lolwuts.

I won't argue, that local ID'd lolwuts are better than out of ZOI lolwuts in terms of RP and common sense, but in terms of ganking, being overwhelmed by turtles or legates doesn't feels to be much different.
So addressing primary problem, that nearly every faction is trigger happy towards nomads, it is simply required to make several more "hot" activity hubs around the map. Especially cap missions.

Why focusing on caps? Cap lolwuts new players are curse and blessing in the same time. I guess, everyone know the "curse" side. But the good side- they can generate activity in the region. 4.85 had tons of examples like Sairs vs OCs; OCs vs IMG/CR; Sairs vs RHs; RHs vs RNCs; RNCs vs LNSs; BAFs vs KNFs; LNSs/BCOREs vs Orders
I wont argue, there were ganking episodes, however, most enjoyable battles were right at the time, when both forces were equal.

It feels very different if these ships are doing it out of ZoI. Activity generated in the region is good. But people want to see it on IDs that actually belong there. Not random capitals that break the roleplay environment. Anti-Nomad missions feel like a specialist role geared more towards local groups of that region. I strongly disagree that the answer is to expand that role out of the Omicrons, as that's pretty much the root of the problem here. Let locals play their roles. If people want to contribute, encourage them to create a ship of that role.

The main difference between being wrecked by joint lolwut forces consisting of GEB+LABC+PRAEF, and joint lolwut forces consisting of GEBx3 is: Ability to report attackers in first scenario.
In both scenarios you have the same outcome: Unpleasant contact with other players, who doesn't care much about others. The difference is just the image of ships shooting at you.
But I'm not saying it's good.
But at some point it's inevitable. There is an exclusive "something" and everyone wants to take a "peace" of it, acting like jerks breaking the rules or acting like jerks but within the rules.

Why not to spread it out in some way or another around the map? Then, Turtle lover would be playin within Rheinland and so on. Without violating server rules, and acting more or less inRP. And they will have at least a couple of reasons to log in, do something with their little Turtle or whatever and so on. And we got some profit- players in game, players doing things in the right way, and players having fun.

Why would you prefer to report people? I would rather have a preventative scenario that stops the issue arising in the first place. I don't really see how ganking is entirely relevant here either, since some of these guys do gank, some of them do not. It doesn't change the fact that they're using ship/ID combos somewhere they shouldn't be. I don't think is about pleasant and unpleasant encounters, it's about seeing something that quite clearly looks very silly somewhere it shouldn't be.

And as I said, the solution to this shouldn't be something that takes away reasons to do things as an Omicron local. Order caps can't go hunting RM NPCs in New Berlin (and they shouldn't). It's better to encourage people to play more parts of the game and diversify, rather than letting a single ID do everything.

(06-10-2020, 12:40 PM)Lonely_Ghost Wrote: I'm not saying to copy Omicron Nom Missions to everywhere. I'm talking about creating activity hubs all around houses. So players preferring playing Rheinland Characters would have something to do within Rheinland and systems around it.