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RE: POB Siege Idea - monmarfori - 04-25-2021
The problem is, not all people live at the same time zone.
RE: POB Siege Idea - Erremnart - 04-25-2021
But attackers can plan their siege in advance - "Hey guys, make time for Xth Sunday at 08:00, we are going to siege.", whereas defenders just react and have to scramble in relative haste.
RE: POB Siege Idea - Lusitano - 04-25-2021
(04-25-2021, 10:38 AM)Erremnart Wrote: This is a game and not real life. And "owners" are already at disadvantage by putting a way more effort into running a base, while attackers' only risk is being blued by successful defenders.
"Vulnerability windows" would allow actual gameplay - attackers and defenders fighting each other. If your faction is not big enough to siege at given time, then get allies or don't declare siege.
the part of the real life was an pratical example. also to take down a pob is necessary a lot of firepower at the same time, and even so it takes time, probably that "blues" are the time that attackers only had to make the siege, because not only people have real life, but also don't want to spend all their free time shooting at an object. and if the attackers by default have low firepower, how can they make a proper defense. also pobs have shields, alot of cargo spaceto have all necessary materieals to holdthat shields and reparing, and also, the owners can betwwen attacks suply even more stuff. and also you are forgetting one thing ... not every one can be online at the same time. i once has in a siege, and the attackers were very low powered but a lot of perseverance the siege was a sucess.
sincerelly if this goes forward it will not surprise me, because i already saw so many stupid stuff being made in the name of "balance" that nothing more surprises me. i just don't understand is how an rp server like this one brags to be, allows so litle rp for one attack, one message of one pilot saying in their faction forum orc omms chanell saying that found a base, and after it one declartion of attack and all is fine.
RE: POB Siege Idea - Lusitano - 04-25-2021
ohh and forgot .. bases can have guns also so they can shoot attackers.
RE: POB Siege Idea - Thunderer - 04-25-2021
(04-25-2021, 02:17 AM)Haste Wrote: It might still be better than what we have but I'd be more inclined to let the defenders pick a time window, which with sieges having to be declared individually is a bit.. Weird.
I like this. I think that this time window should be public and it should represent generator down time for maintenance or something like that.
RE: POB Siege Idea - darkwind - 04-25-2021
(04-25-2021, 04:28 AM)The_Godslayer Wrote:(04-25-2021, 03:51 AM)Paddy. Wrote: The whole stink about the way sieges take place without any decent RP to destroy them has cost this game a lot of active players.
+1 order PoB on top of jumphole, and this one wasn't even on purpose. Most PoBs are killed hard and fast because there are actually people who intend to do this, and we've learnt the hard way. When abusing economy oversights, locking hostile factions out of systems, and being toxic when people get sick of it and break your stuff is the norm, of course PoBs are going to get a bad rep. Every time there's a system change and people use that as an excuse to throw their PoB next to a base or a Jump Hole to camp or stack weaps on it, you lose a few people willing to tolerate it, and you polarize the people. Every time a PoB owner acts up, people who don't deal in PoBs hate them more, and people who do get more defensive.
You want a fix to the issue? Get rid of every cancerous PoB owner, and keep the ones who don't cause issues. Until then, stop advocating to make PoBs unsiegable through extensive rules. It's pretty obvious that the goal is "Make sieging a base such an unbearably long process that no one can go through with it", and is only adding to the polarization. Make an actual solution, don't just be more of the problem.
And really, if "Sit my pob on top of a hostile factions base in order to make sure they can't log on" is the activity you want to defend, then forgive the mighty laughter I'm about to do.
Another pob shitposting thread
read this
when it would be accepted, there will be no more POB domination already.
it is already coded/tested and just awaits Alex's review
POBs which block NPC stations or jump holes will stop being an issue
RE: POB Siege Idea - Xenon - 04-25-2021
Simply, Fix the POB repair rate, damage rate, and total health points issue then things will be normal
There is no need for extra complications with the POBs
RE: POB Siege Idea - The_Godslayer - 04-25-2021
(04-25-2021, 12:23 PM)darkwind Wrote: when it would be accepted1) IF it is accepted
(04-25-2021, 12:23 PM)darkwind Wrote: it is already coded/tested and just awaits Alex's reviewYes, locking factions out of systems with weapons platforms will cease to be an issue. We'll still have factions locked out of systems because they can just camp capspam on top of a jumphole or base. All of this still doesn't address PoBs being used for abusing every little economy oversight that inevitably happens due to there being 309+ commodities in the game, and the extensive breaking of faction boundaries we get in the Omicrons just to farm nomad remains for PoBs.
POBs which block NPC stations or jump holes will stop being an issue
Fixing weaps doesn't fix PoBs. Good on you for actually trying, though, that's quite literally infinity times what everyone else is doing.
RE: POB Siege Idea - mm33dd - 05-05-2021
(04-25-2021, 12:15 AM)Groshyr Wrote: Maybe turn them into multistage events with gathering win/lose points?This could be an option, it will only need a solid "GameMasters" team for overseeing the fairness of the event.
(04-25-2021, 02:15 PM)Xenon Wrote: Simply, Fix the POB repair rate, damage rate, and total health points issue then things will be normalYes to this.
There is no need for extra complications with the POBs
It's a fact you all know if you sieged before: It sucks. and building and keeping it healthy is a LOT of work (RL wasted hours).
So far I readed some good ideas that with some effort can be implemented, a mixture of those ideas maybe lead us to a positive result.
A kind of event could be implemented for every Siege. It could be more challenging if attackers have something to lose too.
On first instance, PoBs should be harder to get; not every player should be allowed to build one, requirements will be needed (like, only trhought proper RP official factions members (only) can REQUEST a PoB construction). If you joined here because of the PoB's you did totally wrong. PoB sucks go play sims