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Guard Systems - cer1al_k1ller - 07-09-2009
Hi,
I think guard systems are really oorp!
Imagine if United Stated Army had a WHOLE State just for training ground... That simply doesnt happen! They have instead Big areas inside some states where they train. I think that's what should happen here. Big areas in some systems where they could have their bases and do some training. Something like the badlands for the rouges. Badlands are a place where (IN RP) no LPI or NAVY would dare to enter. The ones that would enter, should expect to be kiled on sight! Like the badlands, we could have other areas within houses that should work the same.
Guard Systems - masternerdguy - 07-09-2009
fixing the problem
- Missions need to be offered for the Guard Faction in that system
- A rare commodity should be bought or sold there that allows high profits with the outside world
- Guard systems should provide a short cut between two frequent areas of operations
Guard Systems - carlabrams - 07-09-2009
' Wrote:I have a little problem with Guard systems. Specifically, I have a little problem with the fact that they exist, and seem to exist for no purpose other than to have a place to stick high-grade equipment and to let factions build a bunch of stuff which only they ever get to see/use, some of which doesn't make any sense at all from a wider RP perspective. They generally serve no purpose within the RP of Discovery, though there are a few exceptions (Omicron-74 for example, though why the Zoners would build a Freeport right next to another Freeport makes little sense to me).
Generally speaking, the Guard systems are 'owned' by a player faction, who are generally the only people who get to use the system. Even indies of the same faction often aren't particularly welcome, though they're allowed in to buy equipment because the rules say it must be so. ...
I propose that Guard systems actually get integrated into the Discovery universe, as opposed to existing as their own separate little islands of 'reality'.
Omega-56, home of the Bounty Hunters Guild.
It's our Guard system. We RP that our top-secret research facility is there. We RP that our guild headquarters are located there.
We put in Alabama Shipyard, which is the ONLY place that the BHG Destroyer, Battlecruiser, and Battleship can be purchased. Capetown is now the only place that the Gunship and Gunboat can be purchased - and you darned well better not just be neutral to us to get into the system, because it IS our system. (In other words, buy the right ID and we're happy. Don't have it and you're an expanding ball of gas.)
Now - we're secretive, clanish, and paranoid. Are you saying that you want a free and open pathway through our system? Why? What purpose, other than to give smugglers another road through?
What would you want us to do to 'integrate' into the Universe? Put a Corsair base in there as well, and all sit around and sing Kum-ba-ya?
Yeah, this pretty much qualifies as a FAIL, basically.
Guard Systems - Ra! - 07-09-2009
' Wrote:Hi,
I think guard systems are really oorp!
Imagine if United Stated Army had a WHOLE State just for training ground... That simply doesnt happen! They have instead Big areas inside some states where they train. I think that's what should happen here. Big areas in some systems where they could have their bases and do some training. Something like the badlands for the rouges. Badlands are a place where (IN RP) no LPI or NAVY would dare to enter. The ones that enter, should expect to be kiled on sight! Like the badlands, we could have other areas within houses that should work the same.
Note that these small areas inside states are well protected, unaccessable to the public, have large security fences and watchtowers with guards.
How do you plan to include these security fences and watchtowers in freelancer, chains of weapons platforms? Minefields inside core house systems?
That is why they are inside their own protected little systems, instead of just having huge areas protected by minefields and weapons platforms, every newbie is going to see a big field of mines and want to investigate, its human nature.
Quote:fixing the problem
1. Missions need to be offered for the Guard Faction in that system
2. A rare commodity should be bought or sold there that allows high profits with the outside world
3. Guard systems should provide a short cut between two frequent areas of operations
For example, a guard system could give you a short cut from colorado to california instead of traversing new york first. Like it or not, non trade lane travel systems is much faster.
Basically, make it easier to get a faction tag/id. And create more shortcuts for powertraders.
I will however, agree with point 2.
Guard Systems - masternerdguy - 07-09-2009
' Wrote:Not that these small areas inside states are well protected, unaccessable to the public, have large security fences and watchtowers with guards.
How do you plan to include these security fences and watchtowers in freelancer, chains of weapons platforms? Minefields inside core house systems?
That is why they are inside their own protected little systems, instead of just having huge areas protected by minefields and weapons platforms, every newbie is going to see and big field of mines and want to investigate, its human nature.
Basically, make it easier to get a faction tag/id. And create more shortcuts for powertraders.
I will however, agree with point 2.
powertraders....rofl....those are the guys who will SUFFER!
Think of it this way, powertraders will still be shot on sight....its a guard system and outsiders are not allowed last time I checked.
Guard Systems - hack - 07-09-2009
' Wrote:Guard systems which, for whatever reason, offer zero RP opportunities within Discovery should be modified, in my opinion. Or the owners should put more effort into adding RP opportunities to their systems. Systems shouldn't exist for the sole purpose of giving a player faction a place where they can A: Put whatever weird stuff they want their faction to have, or B: Exclude people just because they can.
And since you wan these systems changed why not call out there owners here?
And then they can go power trade so they can pay a modder to fix a system for somebody else because they don't like their system..
"We are sorry there Mr. Liberty Navy Admiral, but your shipyard is going to be destroyed so that we can build a bypass. Bypasses must be built."
Apologies to Mr.Adams.
This conversation is going into the sublime. I recommend a lock
Guard Systems - farmerman - 07-09-2009
' Wrote:Omega-56, home of the Bounty Hunters Guild.
It's our Guard system. We RP that our top-secret research facility is there. We RP that our guild headquarters are located there.
What would you want us to do to 'integrate' into the Universe? Put a Corsair base in there as well, and all sit around and sing Kum-ba-ya?
Yeah, this pretty much qualifies as a FAIL, basically.
I'm of the opinion that groups like the BHG keeping theirs separate makes sense, along with the Military factions. I could see either of them negotiating a supply deal though, with various cargo being allowed in by certain groups. Police systems with prisons and such make sense, too.
But like the LWB, why would they have a complete system to themselves? That's why we want to add a noticeable presence of other, similar groups. That way it isn't the LWB system, it's the system with the LWB place, and the Hessian place, and all those Bundschuh hanging out. I'd really like a secret ALG supply depot, too, reflecting how they have members secretly supporting the LWB.
Or like with the Xenos. What if near one of the entrances (if the connections weren't odd, that is) just "happened" to have a DSE mining depot. The Xenos would just "happen" to not notice. That just adds more opportunities for interesting RP, as various other groups may come to buy minerals. If they're groups taking jobs from Xenos, they can get chased out.
I'm sure there are lots of other possibilities.
Guard Systems - masternerdguy - 07-09-2009
' Wrote:And since you wan these systems changed why not call out there owners here?
And then they can go power trade so they can pay a modder to fix a system for somebody else because they don't like their system..
"We are sorry there Mr. Liberty Navy Admiral, but your shipyard is going to be destroyed so that we can build a bypass. Bypasses must be built."
Apologies to Mr.Adams.
This conversation is going into the sublime. I recommend a lock
yeah......signed for lock:cool:
Guard Systems - Cellulanus - 07-09-2009
' Wrote:How do you plan to include these security fences and watchtowers in freelancer, chains of weapons platforms? Minefields inside core house systems?
That could work, there is actually two things like that in Rheinland around the two Rheinland research stations.
They are surrounded by mines, and are guard repped with guard NPCs and one has guard weapons platforms.
Guard Systems - masternerdguy - 07-09-2009
' Wrote:That could work, there is actually two things like that in Rheinland around the two Rheinland research stations.
They are surrounded by mines, and are guard repped with guard NPCs and one has guard weapons platforms.
the best route would by an in-system JH with one inside a hollow minefield and another outside in distant space guarded by a swarm of npcs who shoot on sight like in alaska and a battleship.