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Should we get Diffrent types of civillian guns? - Dab - 08-06-2009
Night, you're looking at civilians in the wrong way.. Megacorporations ARE civilian corporations. They are civilians. Civilians aren't just the tiny people in Starfliers..
Unless a Megacorporation is specifically contracted by a military to design a certain weapon, anything they do make they are allowed to patent, manufacture, and distribute. They are a civilian organization, and can sell anything they make to civilians, militaries, etc.
A little guy in a starflier doesn't have to be responsible for manufacturing the guns.. They megacorporations design and make it, then the little guys buy it from there. The Megacorporations would also use their weaponry on escort ships. Look at today's world.. All weapon production is handled by civilian corporations. And only a small percentage of the weapons today are reserved for the military. A civilian could get his hands on an AK-47, an M16, a G36C, etc. Now take into account that Sirius has a load more weapon-related freedom, and a huge weapon market, and is it really hard to believe civilians being able to get a hold of weapons that are as good as military guns?
Currently you want the Flashpoints to be worse than faction weaponry.. But now the Flashpoints are never used. I myself have never seen someone use a flashpoint except one time, and they sold it after one fight and fit faction guns instead, even though they were a transport escort. Simply because the Flashpoints aren't worth keeping. We should be balancing them in a way that improves gameplay for everyone. Currently, all we've done with the Flashpoints is make yet another unused weapon. Is it better to be on-par with faction weapons, or never used?
Should we get Diffrent types of civillian guns? - tansytansey - 08-06-2009
Maybe we shouldn't use the term Civilian then. It's misleading. It might be correct, but because of its' uses here on Disco it's also misleading.
Also, my Mercenary has Heavy Flashpoints. By choice.
Should we get Diffrent types of civillian guns? - kikatsu - 08-06-2009
I've always fancied getting a civilian weapon that had a 600 speed...make it a bit easier to mix and match some weapons
also....what if we just made the flashpoints super energy efficiant to make up for their damage
also I remember when they were better than the Liberty lasers:P
that was sure interesting
Should we get Diffrent types of civillian guns? - Benjamin - 08-06-2009
' Wrote:Every single member of the Liberty Rogues uses Sammaels, an 8.33 weapon. Most lawfuls in Liberty use Vengances. Sirius-wide 8.33 weapons may not be as popular, but your statement is grossly over exaggerated, because many factions don't have access to alternatives.
Yeah, thanks for proving my point for me?
Liberty Rogues fighters use Sammaels because that is their faction gun. It is an 8.33 laser.
Corporation fighters use Flashpoints because that is their faction gun. It is an 8.33 laser.
The Sammael does 265 damage per shot, the Flashpoint does 204.
Even the worst corporation is so massively richer, and has so much more access to technology, than the Liberty Rogues.
Quote:We could go back and forth all day here, but tell me why does it make sense for a generic, civilian gun be equal to or better than other faction weapons? Personally I think they should all be worse, including ships, to encourage people to use their factions equipment rather than opting for Civilian Tech because it pew pews better.
Flashpoints are the faction weapon for SIXTEEN factions. And you want to make them rubbish so that factions use their own weapons? Well that makes a whole lot of sense.
Flashpoints should be the most common guns around, but for really no defensible reason they have been crippled in to obscurity. Eyvind and I are the only people I've seen with them.
People that don't want to use roleplay loadouts will find ways around it. Making flashpoints really bad is PROMOTING that, since flashpoints should be the weapons that sixteen factions, not to mention freelancers and mercenaries and vigilantes, use. That's nineteen IDs breaking roleplay just so that whatever faction you want to use its faction guns isn't tempted to use flashpoints.
Nonsense, seriously.
Should we get Diffrent types of civillian guns? - Elsdragon - 08-06-2009
Again. Ben articulated my thoughts perfectly. Thank you
Should we get Diffrent types of civillian guns? - tansytansey - 08-06-2009
' Wrote:Even the worst corporation is so massively richer, and has so much more access to technology, than the Liberty Rogues.There could be a myriad of RP reasons as to why the Liberty Rogues have a better Laser Weapon than all these massively rich corporations. Like, I don't know... they're Buisness men not cutthroat pirates? Or Maybe Laser is just an obsolete technology and no one else bothers developing enhancements anymore (It seems that way at least xD)
Flashpoints are the faction weapon for SIXTEEN factions. And you want to make them rubbish so that factions use their own weapons? Well that makes a whole lot of sense.
Flashpoints should be the most common guns around, but for really no defensible reason they have been crippled in to obscurity. Eyvind and I are the only people I've seen with them.
Of those 16 Factions, how many of them are trader factions? I'm betting it's the majority, if not all of them. So what use does a trader faction have for a top of the line military grade weapon? For sale, maybe. But then, it doesn't have to be top of the line since they have no one to compete with. They might need them for escorts too, I suppose. But even then, they don't need to be really good to get the job done. Fact is not everyone can have space superiority at the same time, and the sooner you accept that the sooner you learn to live with what your faction has.
Quote:People that don't want to use roleplay loadouts will find ways around it. Making flashpoints really bad is PROMOTING that, since flashpoints should be the weapons that sixteen factions, not to mention freelancers and mercenaries and vigilantes, use. That's nineteen IDs breaking roleplay just so that whatever faction you want to use its faction guns isn't tempted to use flashpoints.And contrary to your beliefs, I think that making Flashpoints stronger will do the opposite of what you want here. Those factions already using their IDs appropriate equipment could change to using civilian tech, because it is pretty much legal for everyone to use. Not changing them effects 19 IDs. Changing them effects all of them.
EDIT: Almost forgot.
Quote:Nonsense, seriously.Contradicting views are often dismissed as nonsense. Simply because someone disagrees with you, doesn't make it so.
Should we get Diffrent types of civillian guns? - Elsdragon - 08-06-2009
Quote:There could be a myriad of RP reasons as to why the Liberty Rogues have a better Laser Weapon than all these massively rich corporations. Like, I don't know... they're Buisness men not cutthroat pirates?
THat kinda made me lol. Corps are all about the bottom line, and In a world with a weaker police than today,I wouldnt be surrised to see Corp raids At any dissendents. The rouge laser wasnt balanced on how strong the LR is IRP. Why should Civiliian weapons still Be balanced by : CIvillian= weak
Quote:And contrary to your beliefs, I think that making Flashpoints stronger will do the opposite of what you want here. Those factions already using their IDs appropriate equipment could change to using civilian tech, because it is pretty much legal for everyone to use. Not changing them effects 19 IDs. Changing them effects all of them.
We dont want them stronger. We want them equivallent. Or at least competitve.
Should we get Diffrent types of civillian guns? - tansytansey - 08-06-2009
' Wrote:THat kinda made me lol."that's funny" lol or "you're stupid" lol? Either is an acceptable answer xD
I don't mind civilian tech being more balanced, but I still believe it should be the weakest weapon. There always has to be a weakest weapon, unless we want to make every single gun in the game exactly the same. To me, civilian makes the most logical sense to be the weakest. Maybe the dps gap between Civilian weapons and other Faction weapons should be less, but none the less I believe it should be the weakest.
Should we get Diffrent types of civillian guns? - Elsdragon - 08-06-2009
Quote:that's funny" lol
that one
Quote:I don't mind civilian tech being more balanced, but I still believe it should be the weakest weapon. There always has to be a weakest weapon, unless we want to make every single gun in the game exactly the same. To me, civilian makes the most logical sense to be the weakest. Maybe the dps gap between Civilian weapons and other Faction weapons should be less, but none the less I believe it should be the weakest.
I just want it so that people actually want to use Civillian weapons, rather than " these haevy flashpoints arent so heavy, lol, gimme a salamenca"
Should we get Diffrent types of civillian guns? - tansytansey - 08-06-2009
' Wrote:that onePersonally I'd take a Flashpoint over a Salamenca any day. But regardless of how strong you make them, until you make them stronger than Salamencas, people are going to keep the same mind set. Then, once you make them stronger the mind set gets reversed and every Corsair is suddenly using Heavy Flashpoints.
I just want it so that people actually want to use Civillian weapons, rather than " these haevy flashpoints arent so heavy, lol, gimme a salamenca"