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Battleships- a solution - Altaris - 09-03-2009
i voted number 1.
Number two would be nice: "official factions only and indy RP story'd BS."
Battleships- a solution - reavengitair - 09-03-2009
I once had the same idea, but after purchasing a few of these... big... fat things... I think that they should just be restricted by official factions, not faction only.
Battleships- a solution - Cellulanus - 09-03-2009
And so far #2 is in the lead.
Hmm... And to think that giving factions the ability to restrict their caps was shot down earlier....
Battleships- a solution - Eppy - 09-03-2009
' Wrote:And so far #2 is in the lead.
Hmm... And to think that giving factions the ability to restrict their caps was shot down earlier....
I think people are just afraid of giving the factions authority. This doesn't give factions authority - it changes an environmental constant and isn't as directly objectionable now.
Also, I have been informed that a certain late Administrator famous for his wall'o'text technique was largely responsible for the death of Faction Right 5; with his absence the possibility might be reviewed once more.
Battleships- a solution - Grimly - 09-03-2009
Voted NO !
What's your problem ? You can't bring 3 bomber crafts and beat them ?
We don't need to restrict BS to "well known players".
Even if I'm a known player I would not accept someone that worked to earn his billion credits, being pirated through his trade routes, don't have right to spend that billion to a BS.
Sorry but that comes with the mod.
Quote:a solutionYou could write "Indies come put all your flames here !" that would the same.
Too much power kill to few people kills the fun of this game.
It's also fun to see it coming from the leader of hellfire legion and a keeper player.
Aren't the nomad ships enough boosted ? If you have gank problems, you should not have played into isolated groups. BS have less speed so you can thrust away and cruise once you're out of range.
Battleships- a solution - Galacius - 09-03-2009
Warning this is all my personal opinion and to say the least im a bit jaded in this subject. (also I do not consider gunboats capships no matter what anyone says. The only ones I feel fit into that are the cruisers and up)
Wouldnt 1 and 2 lead to favoritism in a lot of cases? Most factions only allow their upper echelon to get these ships, you know its not just the faction leaders that deserve to have fun in these ships. There are a great deal of people who just enjoy capship rp and such.
There seems to be a huge bias against capships and it baffles me. The only capships truly spammed are the labc and the geb, which can be fixed easily. I personally see more lolwuttery in bombers and gunboats yet people barely breath a word about that but rant and rave about the demons that are battleships.
Lets try to figure out why people are so against capships...
1. They attract lolwutters... ok valid complaint but the point to which people color all capships as this and look down their noses at it is absurd.
2. Its huge and has huge impact on rp, so when its mismanaged it others can feel it, plus it takes a few bombers to take one down. Also valid but I can counter this with "all those lolwutter pirates in gunboats and bombers are ruining rp" and it would be just as valid. Are you going to restrict gunboats and bombers to?
3. Pvp whoreing. This is an accusation that is thrown around constantly here, the "your just a pvpwhore/capwhore". Yes you can be a pvpwhore and cause havoc but you know this game is designed around pvp. You want to get rid of pvp, fine I know its not everyones cup of tea, but please if it riles you up so much go to a some sort of mud/tabletop rpg or to a freelancer server with no player fire.
4. Fox and the grapes. These ships cost absurd amounts of credits and very few are going to do the mind numbing grind to get said ships. I think some of the dislike is due to the fox and the grapes effect.
5. Elitism. See im still somewhat new here. I have a different view from the lot of you, and honestly from it the things I see appall me at times. To put a very emotional rant that I could do short, I feel that a lot of people define the word eletist. Maybe thats part of the dislike for bs I dont know I could be wrong.
I may be completely off my base here but im left at an conundrum. Here I am finding the one thing I enjoy in this game (cruiser/bs rp and pvp) and all anyone ever does is talk about how to limit it, how to curtail it and how to make it more held down. It already vexes me that these ships that I love oh so tenderly take more time to grind out the creds for then it took me to level a character to 80 in wow, that fair though. These behemoths are the mighty magnus dei, I can understand them costing that much, but seriously dont limit them more. Its really the labc and the geb that are spammed leave the bs and other cruisers alone.
Battleships- a solution - jimmy Patterson - 09-03-2009
' Wrote:I'm going to go with Number Two for $500, Alex.
I've been of the opinion that Battleships need to be Special RP Request regardless of who buys them for a long time now, but I think that Two does the exact same thing, and the reason is that factions are under a huge amount of scrutiny already. A smaller but very vocal part of this community take great pains to watch factions for slipups and nitpick about things; some of them are legitimate and doing a good thing by trying to enforce quality control, and some of them are just Libertarians. The Factions can't get away with much and know how not to bugger up. If an indy really desires a Battleship (or Battlecruisers, we should consider those for inclusion as well) that much he should be able to Special RP Request one (possibly for a sizable fee, maybe 250 mil, so the SpecRP Request section doesn't get spammed to death; the fee would be put towards purchase of the ship if granted); it should be pretty easy to tell the difference between a lulz and somebody who actually knows how to RP a ship that size.
ok i voted for faction restriction but useing myself as an example ive had my BC sense 4.84 i had to get a 25mill loan for it from a friend in the end what your esentally doing by makeing a fee ilimiteing people who cant trade or otherwise dont have the funds for the ship i cant fly fighters my cruiser is the only form of pvp i can get and 90 percent of the time im in it i dont pvp
you all sayt ''join a faction '' 'factions sadly want you to spend time in a fighter and most of them need you to beable to use said fighter in pvp combat to get promited in adation to x amount of time or NPC kills to advance in rank i dont fly fighters or bombers for inexplainable hardwerre lag and hardwere lag (yet other mods work fine)so thats a disadvantagfe for me ,i dont like tradeing facions because they either make you give like half your funds to them or you get a ship that dosent hardly make enough to do its job(of tradeing)
if that idea above goes through let people get grandfathered(you all know the fort louisbourg) so sa i dont log on oneday and find a sanction in my hold"ilegal ship" with my guns and whatever sparse credits i have gone(i prolly have 50 mill total across al l5 of my charcters yes i only have 5 3 of those are liberty based ones a trader the 5ths a freelancer) (dont have many because i lack funds to set them up and selling my bcx to support the others doswnt give enough return cash)
while i may never get a battleship(tho people say i should buy one) in the end nomatter what we do if we keep demanding rules the mod wil levewntually become unplayable the real solution is to allow factions to shoot any ''stolen'' warships like before the mandate from the order problem prevented that
Battleships- a solution - MB52 - 09-03-2009
Honestly are they THAT big of a problem? I see more GB spam then anything else.
Edit no fees, I'll never pay that for something I earned already.
Battleships- a solution - Enko - 09-03-2009
' Wrote:Too much power kill to few people kills the fun of this game.
I also dont find it fun when Battleships are captained by the equivalent of five year olds, totally ruining any sort of immersion of the game, especially as Battleships are supposed to be the least used ship type.
(Voted for 2)
Battleships- a solution - Galacius - 09-03-2009
I challenge anyone to prove to me that right now, not in the past, a battleship type is spammed and overrunned by five year olds. Maybe the sarissa maybe the legate, but again the cruisers are more dominant.
The only two cap ships that seem to have this is the labc and geb, which are hybrid cruisers and within obtainable credit ranges. They are also big, you know those two things make every lolwutter charge for them right? Battleships are just to costly to do this.