' Wrote:Welp I love how people not only spread lies but outright insult folk despite knowing full well that they have done the same, and their faction is doing the same. I am looking at you [LN] ganking single pirates in NY with 5-6 fighters. Yep, such a big deal when it happens to you but not particularly when it doesn't. Really, I would love for people to just stop and take this kind of stuff as granted, because no matter what you do it will happen and it's better to just not hold anyone responsible because it's just part of the risk.

Sometimes you are outnumbered. Sometimes you are raided like hell. The RHA was being raided by RNC caps camping Freital and exchanging with ECG/Corsair indies for last 3 weeks before 4.86 release. I am talking constantly. There was no way to log in and just sit in Omega-7 for more than 5 mins before the spam came from either side. That was perfectly fine. Joe saw this with his TBH at least once (and possibly more in raids that I wasnt there to defend against), that was ALSO perfectly fine I suppose. I didn't see him lamenting how people were forced to sit by Freital which btw has nothing on Prox in O-91 when it comes to actually defending players that sit there from the cap spam/fighter spam (both are equally "bad" if we are to assume that ganking needs a response of extreme rage and pain on forums/skype). But once again the fight shifts to the other side, and when they start losing they make up a huge stink.

I find that truly silly and ridiculous.

On another note, here's some facts stated once again:

1. Hessians don't launch attacks from FP5. But there is no point in me saying this, because I will just be told that I lie even though it takes me exactly 1 minute more to fly from Freital on cruise all the way to Gamma in fighter or battleship, it makes no difference. And well, anyone who actually has a problem with that should look on his own hypocrisy. Like Dusty pointed out.

Also, it's not like the Hessians have a one way jump hole to Gamma from O-11. It takes the Corsairs 2 minutes to fly from Crete to Freital as well, and they have done it in the past. Should I make a 40 page Hessian - Corsair thread now or later?

2. The solution to split the Zoner faction was proposed I think 10 times in the past. Each and every time shot down or just not acted upon. Are we ready to do it yet, or still no?

3. Raids are not a bad thing.

4. PvP is not a bad thing.

5. I don't care about dying and neither should you.

6. I ran out of facts. For now. Make of it what you will.

' Wrote:2. The solution to split the Zoner faction was proposed I think 10 times in the past. Each and every time shot down or just not acted upon. Are we ready to do it yet, or still no?

' Wrote:

For that to happen, it means that there will have to be at least 8~10 new IFF's and ID's.
That's only for the Freeports and such.

Add that to the junkers.. You'll need like 5~7 more.

So it would be around 15 new IFF's and ID's.

Now for what little FL coding i know..

Just writing out the reputations of each new IFF to every faction ingame..

I pitty the devs that would have to do that.

Something to consider to .87, although.

' Wrote:Pardon while I revive the dead horse.

A solution suggests that there's a problem, when in fact no problem exists. Players on the server have got it into their minds that the Zoners shouldn't fly under the same banner. Show me the <strike>MONEY</strike> infocards because the infocards say otherwise. Yes, every Freeport is surrounded by a unique group of factions. And yes, every Freeport conducts business based on those who surround it. So then players think, "doesn't it seems logical to subdivide Zoners into multiple groups, no?"

No. Observe the following case study: From playing Freelancer, we know that Freeport 10 got into a major conflict with the Outcasts circa 770 AS. Or something.

Here's a million dollar question:
Were Outcasts hostile to the Zoners in FP9, who had nothing to do with anything, at the time of the conflict?

The answer is:
The Outcasts didn't care if you're a Zoner from FP2 or FP9 or New Jersey. If a Zoner from a distant system was visiting his Great Aunt Willow on FP10, they shot him to pieces. They shot him because his people built a Freeport on their turf and he was a Zoner. If he stayed in FP2, then they didn't care because he's in FP2. And the Zoner in FP2 didn't care either because there ain't no Outcasts there, are there?

And don't even get me started on "Zoners are, like, these radically different groups, like, totally yeah?" That's another notion with absolutely no regard to Freelancer lore. The Zoners have a unified code. They have a unified belief system. They all seem to have magically called their bases by the same name and numbered their Freeports in chronological order. And they consider fellow Zoners, in the very words of vanilla lore, as their "brothers."

Do you think that those who call each other "brothers," feel that they are part of the same family? You are correct if you're nodding your head. Now, brothers don't have to be identical, do they? One can love bar fights and the other could be a sissy fleeing from a Corsair papa bear for smoochin' his daughter. Each can lead his own life and conduct his own business.

But if my idiot brother gets into a bar fight, you better believe that I'll be smashing beer bottles over anybody that tries to grab him. Yes, he's a drunk idiot who shouldn't have gotten into a bar fight in the first place - but he's my brother and I love him.

Omicroners messed up here and there when it came to Zoner Lore, but they got that part right. They stood up for their brothers when the Corsairs bullied them. Unfortunately, one of those brothers supplied Crete with goods while the Omicroners were fighting for said brother and starving in Theta.

I'm not complaining. Backstabbing provides great roleplay opportunities. But RP differs from server to server, so at the end of the day you gotta look at the infocards. And the infocards say that if you shoot a Zoner in El Paso, his Zoner friends in Miami are gonna be mad.

' Wrote:From that, you have a distinct division, and eventually, what you have now, which is both groups wanting to not be Zoners at all.

Then you have the Freeports, which each one is in a delicate political situation as it sits astride competing political factions - A zoner in an eagle doesn't have to give a damn about being neutral - he's free to do whatever he wants, fly where ever he wants, and put his feet up on the coffee table if he wants.
A freeport astride two warring factions MUST remain neutral to avoid being a target for one, the other, or both.

' Wrote:I'm not complaining. Backstabbing provides great roleplay opportunities. But RP differs from server to server, so at the end of the day you gotta look at the infocards. And the infocards say that if you shoot a Zoner in El Paso, his Zoner friends in Miami are gonna be mad.

' Wrote:EDIT: On the other hand, it's part of the RP challenge, isn't it? While I was metagaming on the Comms Channel forums, I read that TAZ approved Corsair's claim over all Theta as Corsair sovereign territory. This is a great move to appease one side but screws neutrality in ways I haven't seen before. I am curious to see what effect, if any, this RP choice will have.

' Wrote:Pardon while I revive the dead horse.

A solution suggests that there's a problem, when in fact no problem exists. Players on the server have got it into their minds that the Zoners shouldn't fly under the same banner. Show me the <strike>MONEY</strike> infocards because the infocards say otherwise. Yes, every Freeport is surrounded by a unique group of factions. And yes, every Freeport conducts business based on those who surround it. So then players think, "doesn't it seems logical to subdivide Zoners into multiple groups, no?"

No. Observe the following case study: From playing Freelancer, we know that Freeport 10 got into a major conflict with the Outcasts circa 770 AS. Or something.

Here's a million dollar question:
Were Outcasts hostile to the Zoners in FP9, who had nothing to do with anything, at the time of the conflict?

The answer is:
The Outcasts didn't care if you're a Zoner from FP2 or FP9 or New Jersey. If a Zoner from a distant system was visiting his Great Aunt Willow on FP10, they shot him to pieces. They shot him because his people built a Freeport on their turf and he was a Zoner. If he stayed in FP2, then they didn't care because he's in FP2. And the Zoner in FP2 didn't care either because there ain't no Outcasts there, are there?

And don't even get me started on "Zoners are, like, these radically different groups, like, totally yeah?" That's another notion with absolutely no regard to Freelancer lore. The Zoners have a unified code. They have a unified belief system. They all seem to have magically called their bases by the same name and numbered their Freeports in chronological order. And they consider fellow Zoners, in the very words of vanilla lore, as their "brothers."

Do you think that those who call each other "brothers," feel that they are part of the same family? You are correct if you're nodding your head. Now, brothers don't have to be identical, do they? One can love bar fights and the other could be a sissy fleeing from a Corsair papa bear for smoochin' his daughter. Each can lead his own life and conduct his own business.

But if my idiot brother gets into a bar fight, you better believe that I'll be smashing beer bottles over anybody that tries to grab him. Yes, he's a drunk idiot who shouldn't have gotten into a bar fight in the first place - but he's my brother and I love him.

Omicroners messed up here and there when it came to Zoner Lore, but they got that part right. They stood up for their brothers when the Corsairs bullied them. Unfortunately, one of those brothers supplied Crete with goods while the Omicroners were fighting for said brother and starving in Theta.

I'm not complaining. Backstabbing provides great roleplay opportunities. But RP differs from server to server, so at the end of the day you gotta look at the infocards. And the infocards say that if you shoot a Zoner in El Paso, his Zoner friends in Miami are gonna be mad.