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Corsair - Zoner - Dane Summers - 02-08-2012
' Wrote:2 on kappa.
Those bases, or planets, aren't really zoner worlds. While they have the Zoner IFF, those worlds belong to there respective races - the monkey people on Primus, and the Robots on Gammu.
I'm not even quite sure how these planets fit into lore really...or if they do at all.
Either way, the only real Zoner bases you have are...
Freeport 11 - whose political makeup has to do with the balance of Order and Core - Corsairs are a secondary concern, if one at all.
Freeport 9, and Corfu - the core of the issue
Freeport 5 - the system it resides in is a crossroads of the lower omicrons, and often a battleground between hessians, corsairs, rheinland (sometimes) and coalition.
and Omicron 74, which represented the stronghold of the Omicroners, who haven't liked the corsairs since the last time this crap happened.
Corsair - Zoner - DarthBindo - 02-08-2012
' Wrote:Freeport 5 - the system it resides in is a crossroads of the lower omicrons, and often a battleground between hessians, corsairs, rheinland (sometimes) and coalition.You're one system off there in where the battleground is supposed to be.
Omega -5 and Leon base is the Corsairs staging point for the entire coreward front, where their reserves await and where the reinforcements from Gamma pass through on their way to -5, -47, and -15.
Corsair - Zoner - Nicolas - 02-08-2012
' Wrote:We dont have any problem if they come directly for raiding from thier bases to gamma. But they gather forces for hours and calls for attack .. This is bad.
Please send me one proof when a gamma raid has been planned hours before it startet.
I think you know the fancy list showing the players online, guess what, when I scroll through and I see there`s some pew happening somewhere I`ll log something to participate. That`s what`s happening in gamma at the moment, it usually starts with a small group of around 5 people, who draw the server`s attention to gamma.
Only thing I can read out of your posts is massive QQ about getting ganked. Well, what goes around comes around. It`s not like you didn`t provoke it.
Corsair - Zoner - Dane Summers - 02-08-2012
Ya know, the question that comes to mind is...
Who the hell put a Freeport in Omega 41?
Why would you need a freeport there, and for that matter, why would the corsairs allow one there?
Quote:Freeport 5 was originally build by the Independent Mining Guild (IMG), but the base was subsequently abandoned due to the intense radiation that plagues the system. A small, particularly dedicated band of Zoners moved in soon after and declared the base Freeport 5. Despite being shielded by a planetary fragment, the intense radiation requires a constant influx of Pharmaceuticals for both the Zoners and those travelers unfortunate enough to become afflicted with radiation poisoning.
Wut? IMG a JH away from Gamma? And they left because of radiation? And not, I dunno, getting murdered, raped, and eaten by the corsairs everyday?
And then Zoners took it over? Wut?
Why not Corsairs?
Corsair - Zoner - spikefin - 02-08-2012
' Wrote:And what I'm saying is that if I'm Freeport 6 and I learn that Freeport 10 denied docking rights to some poor sap, I'm going to be doing the same. As should every Freeport.
Because my fellow lads on Freeport 10 say that the poor sap deserves it.
Still not what I was seeing, Say this case, Freeport 5 is beside Corsair Empire, and groups ABC use FP supplies regularly to wage war. Good proof is provided of many individuals (Say 50% "active" playerbase?) whatever people decide.
That freeport says, Hey guys, Just so were not included in this war, you cant dock here, But feel free to dock at FP 1 11 were ever, just not here, To many of you are killing Corsairs after docking here.
The guy on FP10 (In your example) Only says he needs to not dock there for X reason thats not relevant at FP1, But I also see your point, If player B does it at FP5, Who says he wont at FP1, do we want to pre-empt it?
Did you notice, We have lost our rights at our FP's restricted travel and Corsair law...
Does that bother anyone except me?
How many zoners have actually told a player they can't dock for X reason?
How many players listen? Most usually listen when I say they cant dock, In fact, When Im hovering above FP9 were I spend most of my time, People usually ask permission.
But are we ever going to stop the ones that don't listen?
"The TAZ are a religious Order, and the very first official zoner faction ( I think )"
I Dont know if thats true, I do see some serious RP like the zoners i remember from days past, But theres not of the attributes I remember.
Someone said things change, and I guess they do, But really, I cant fathom that TAZ are the original zoners.
Do you simply mean part of the origonal zoner council?
The other day I met one of the original zoners, from the NFZ signing, He was one of the first Zoner Gaurd I remember being tasked with NFZ enforcment at FP1, He had had a "Break" since the failure of the council.
He was nothing like the TAZ, He was just as I remember, The original zoners used to look after all zoners, When I "Test fired" my weapons at FP1 as a zoner, I was very sternly told off and banned from FP1.
The origional zoners helped all zoners, Not what I see taz doing. O's arn't there territory, The official RP shows this to me, There just handing over the systems some of us live in, And having us throwen out of our homes.
It is RP and I cant complain that much, There doing something, There making me and others homeless, Theres a BIG juggie, No TAG Indie, See him nearly everyday in theta, Doing the rounds, keeping a silent eye on things, The TAZ just made him homeless to.
YAY for agreeing to make zoners homeless.
Next time im just going to join the war mongers. At least I would have had some "fun" before TAZ make me homeless. And other indie zoners, or zoners who dont care because FP9 isn't there regular, What if your FP is TAZ's next target? Well all end up sharing the same system as TAZ, Could be worse, Because there actually nice people, Could be better to, they could work diplo and not agree to throw there brethren out of there homes.
ALSO i need to apologise to a large chunk of TBH, I just noticed, Half the useful people in PM's are Brotherhood, I still dont agree with your course of action. But I take back a large chunk of the "Grouping" I amassed you in, The only TBH I thought I interacted with were zelot and the war mongeres ingame. You guys were so nice polite and logical, I never for a second thought to read that you were TBH, Im honestly shocked, Guess todays my day of learning, So rephrase in all my posts, TBH terrorists are Zelot and her ingame thugs that seek to disturb others, excluding the TBH's that are just as frustrated as I for having no actual power to stop a injustice against them.
Corsair - Zoner - Ryummel - 02-08-2012
' Wrote:So rephrase in all my posts, TBH terrorists are Zelot and her ingame thugs that seek to disturb others,So Zelot is gurl?
Corsair - Zoner - Curios - 02-08-2012
Let it be the dramatic outcome of this thread 8|||||||||||||||||
Corsair - Zoner - Blodo - 02-08-2012
' Wrote:Blodo I lost the respect i used to have have for you. I know how you like your beloved hessain, i know how they react when when they see any thread about corsair, i always ignor them as their reply would be as usual hateful and i dont like to exchange thought with them.You imply my argument was about bias but it isn't. We didn't gather forces near freeports before this situation started. You will be lying if you say otherwise, it just never happened.
We dont have much problem with hessain raid or oc raid or bh raid. But the problem is when we see you are gathering forces near freeport and call others ( i have recived call from hessains in my oc dread several times didnt join though ) like oc, bh and others sometimes zoners. You come in gamma and fight thats no problem but come with bh and reavers all together thats the problem..... And this just keep coming and coming....
Can you send me a picsture where ECG allied with RM as you said? If you have proof pls send.. I will deal with that.
Or rather I should say: we didn't gather forces near freeports before. Now we do, since the Corsairs are threatening them. How about you take a hard long look at how this situation exactly started? If there are two truths flying around then someone is lying. I'm not the one to lie over an ingame situation though, because I really don't see the reason to avoid RP consequences for something I did. For the millionth time: we did not base ourselves out of freeports. Your leaders decide to take the war to the Zoners, and they should expect that when they antagonise them, Corsair enemies will seize on the situation like a fly would seize on the opportunity to sit on a pile of poop. If you expect us to do otherwise then I dunno. I guess I can just say that we won't sit by idly while there is an opportunity to put a dent into our in RP worst enemies.
So really rethink the whole situation again and again before you point fingers in any direction.
Because I am acting according to lore, even if it means upsetting a few players.
' Wrote:Pardon while I revive the dead horse.I can agree that no problem exists from the beginning, but there are some people who have created it. The problem didn't exist in vanilla. It exists now due to the players. This is the rationale that I got served after people just could not handle Hessians landing on Freistadt despite the fact that in lore it was actually encouraged. This is just an example, and in no way meaning to derail the thread so don't seize up upon it too much.
A solution suggests that there's a problem, when in fact no problem exists. Players on the server have got it into their minds that the Zoners shouldn't fly under the same banner.
The gist of the matter being: assuming the Zoners were reunited again, how would it fix the current issue? The Corsairs are basically demanding that the Zoners FR5 factions hostile to them. If they are demanding anything less, then that means that nothing changes. I think everyone is aware of that. I don't particularly care either way what happens to the Zoner NPC faction, though I do believe splitting it up would allow regional diplomacy to commence. The different NPC factions would still all be called Zoners so it would be up to the players to either work together or not.
But if you think there is a better solution to the problem that has been created by the players that does not involve like three different factions declaring war (or something close to it) on the Zoners due to the Zoners openly allying themselves with Corsairs - which is exactly how it is going to look like if the Zoners adopt a Corsair controlled policy for their Freeports Sirius wide (and Sirius wide is the only option without splitting up the NPC faction if you ever want to enforce it in any way) - then go on.
Corsair - Zoner - Dane Summers - 02-08-2012
Truth being, someone needs to stand up to the corsairs...
...tell them that no one dictates terms to Free Men...
...And then tell them to get lost out of theta...
No one said a Zoner's life has to be peace 24\7. This is an inrp outcome to two factions not wanting to budge to the others demands. Corsairs wanna be bully's, then wonder why they barely get along with folks. Well, guess what, Zoner's dont have to be carebears with the whole universe. As I learned with FP1, sometimes you just have to tell people to Eff Off, and then blow them up when they think your joking.
Plus, before anyone starts talking some bull - with Hessians and anyone else given free access to Theta, to garrison those bases, aint no way there can be any RP justification for the corsairs "blowing it up" like they tried to pull last time.
So, I say...who cares. It's about time the corsairs learn that everything isn't owed to them just because they jumped out an airlock 800+ years ago. Being a bully is all well, until you get hit back.
Corsair - Zoner - Silver - 02-08-2012
' Wrote:Truth being, someone needs to stand up to the corsairs...
...tell them that no one dictates terms to Free Men...
...And then tell them to get lost out of theta...
So, I say...who cares. It's about time the corsairs learn that everything isn't owed to them just because they jumped out an airlock 800+ years ago. Being a bully is all well, until you get hit back.
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