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Discovery 4.86 Storyline: Tau Conquest - Gaz83 - 09-06-2010
' Wrote:Kusari lost all major battles, which means there were at least a few major battles between Kusari and Gallia. That is not one. Also, they didnt accept the first attempt at peace.
And I really dont want to have to explain the end of WWII in the Pacific to you, but since I am a history guy, I cant pass up the chance.
The Japanese surrender to the Americans in Tokyo bay was the result of several factors, the most notable of which was the US dropping the A-bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Other factors were the Soviet invasion of Manchuria, as well as the fact that the United States had taken islands in the Pacific, putting US land based bombers within range of the Japanese main Islands. While Japan was in bad shape, the neither the United States nor the Soviet Union, nor for that matter the Chinese were in a position to easily take the Japanese main islands. Modern estimates suggest that it would have taken at least 1 million US troops to invade Japan, with death tolls estimated to be in the range of 300,000. This was why the A-bomb was used, a show of unmatchable power.... much like the Gallic advance into the Taus. Anyway, I am not sure what a discussion of the end of World War Two has to do with this, but there is your explanation.
Yeah, that was a rhetorical question, I'm a history guy myself. Military history to be specific.
It took not one, but TWO nukes to get the Japanese to surrender, and with Kusari being based on Japan. Then why would they give up so easily?
And how is tau-31 classed as more than one batlle?
Discovery 4.86 Storyline: Tau Conquest - Zelot - 09-06-2010
' Wrote:Yeah, that was a rhetorical question, I'm a history guy myself. Military history to be specific.
And how is tau-31 classed as more than one batlle?
How is it classed as more than one battle? Can you read the words? ALL MAJOR BATTLES!!!!>!!! That means more than one, by definition of the words. Thats like saying World War II in the Pacific was one batlle.
Discovery 4.86 Storyline: Tau Conquest - Gaz83 - 09-06-2010
' Wrote:How is it classed as more than one battle? Can you read the words? ALL MAJOR BATTLES!!!!>!!! That means more than one, by definition of the words. Thats like saying World War II in the Pacific was one batlle.
Yes, I know, but tell me how the battle for tau-31 is classed as more than one battle.
When the Bretonian-Kusari battle for Tau-31 was classed as one battle.
Why is there a differance?
Discovery 4.86 Storyline: Tau Conquest - Zelot - 09-06-2010
' Wrote:Yes, I know, but tell me how the battle for tau-31 is classed as more than one battle.
When the Bretonian-Kusari battle for Tau-31 was classed as one battle.
Why is there a differance?
Where is the Bretonian-Kusari campaign for Tau-31 described as one batlle?
Discovery 4.86 Storyline: Tau Conquest - Shagohad - 09-06-2010
If there is one coherent thing I got from Gaz, it's that he's relating Disco to real world affairs and history. Bretonia is not England. Liberty is not America. Rheinland is not Germany. Etc. Etc. Etc.
People always say, "French surrendered, so Gallia can't be OP." So? Big damn whoop. Good for them. It's Gallia. Not France, artard.
This is a new story with a new plot. Deal with it. Stop. Making. It. WW2. Because if we do assign it to WW2, we get another one of those games and it becomes predictable and stale.
Discovery 4.86 Storyline: Tau Conquest - Dab - 09-06-2010
Gaz, you need to get over this whole 'It's a conspiracy against Bretonia' crap, because it isn't. Myself and three other Bretonian players proofread the storyline release for this version, and two of us proofread the .86 version. Now what reason would we have to screw over Bretonia, when our most important characters are Bretonian characters? You also need to get away from the 'Dev team decided this, dev team decided that.' Igiss decided it. He writes the storyline, we proofread it and make suggestions on how to improve it. We don't have the power to say 'well we don't like this house, so we'll have Gallia attack them instead of this other one.'
You've also clearly not properly researched the lore surrounding Kusari, Bretonia, and Gallia, because you have gotten quite a few things wrong. Including this 'Kusari-Bretonia Tau-31 fight being one battle' nonsense. The fight in Tau-31 went on for a very long time before Kusari finally breached the Bretonian defenses and entered Leeds. Even then, Bretonia is still holding on to the Planet in Tau-31, and has a battleship stationed there. They were also launching flank attacks on the Kusari forces in Tau-31 after Kusari invaded Leeds. When Kusari found the Dundee hole the BAF were using for those flank attacks, they attacked Dundee as well. But with the bulk of their forces in the Leeds invasion, they were beaten back out of Dundee and Bretonia controls it again. This is now used as a place to stage attacks on Tau-31 and to reinforce the planet's defenses. Not only has Tau-31 been a succession of multiple battles, but the fight for Tau-31 is -still- going on.
When you've done your research and learned the lore, then come back here to discuss it.
Discovery 4.86 Storyline: Tau Conquest - Gaz83 - 09-13-2010
' Wrote:If there is one coherent thing I got from Gaz
That's because I was being incoherent intentionally, much like this story line.
' Wrote:Gaz, you need to get over this whole 'It's a conspiracy against Bretonia' crap, because it isn't. Myself and three other Bretonian players proofread the storyline release for this version, and two of us proofread the .86 version. Now what reason would we have to screw over Bretonia, when our most important characters are Bretonian characters? You also need to get away from the 'Dev team decided this, dev team decided that.' Igiss decided it. He writes the storyline, we proofread it and make suggestions on how to improve it. We don't have the power to say 'well we don't like this house, so we'll have Gallia attack them instead of this other one.'
You've also clearly not properly researched the lore surrounding Kusari, Bretonia, and Gallia, because you have gotten quite a few things wrong. Including this 'Kusari-Bretonia Tau-31 fight being one battle' nonsense. The fight in Tau-31 went on for a very long time before Kusari finally breached the Bretonian defenses and entered Leeds. Even then, Bretonia is still holding on to the Planet in Tau-31, and has a battleship stationed there. They were also launching flank attacks on the Kusari forces in Tau-31 after Kusari invaded Leeds. When Kusari found the Dundee hole the BAF were using for those flank attacks, they attacked Dundee as well. But with the bulk of their forces in the Leeds invasion, they were beaten back out of Dundee and Bretonia controls it again. This is now used as a place to stage attacks on Tau-31 and to reinforce the planet's defenses. Not only has Tau-31 been a succession of multiple battles, but the fight for Tau-31 is -still- going on.
When you've done your research and learned the lore, then come back here to discuss it.
Well, Dab can you answer this question, because no one else wants to yet. (Or cannot)
WHY NOT KUSARI?????
I-AM-ASKING-FOR-ONE-SIMPLE-ANSWER.
Is there some special reason for keeping them out?
I have asked this same damn question like four or five times.
Seriously I want to know why.
And my previous statement still stands.
Gallia will still be empty six months after 4.86's release.
Discovery 4.86 Storyline: Tau Conquest - sovereign - 09-13-2010
' Wrote:WHY NOT KUSARI?????
Kusari is not getting invaded because the dev team does not have houses get invaded for the lolz.
Funny how that works.
Why should they get invaded? It's not like their activity is completely dead like Bretonia's was in 4.84, especially if 4.86 opens nifty trade routes between Kusari and the Gallic Core Worlds. There's no pressing need to rewrite the story to throw activity at Kusari, so why not go with what makes strategic sense and presents more storytelling options later on down the road? It's anyone's guess as to whether Kusari will re-enter the war at a later date, and if they do they could feasibly enter on either side. This way has more options, and Bretonia gets super-heroic to boot. Why should we abandon that just because Kusari hasn't had overwhelming military force applied to it since vanilla? Yes, remember when they got invaded by Rheinland, got their asses handed to them (due in no small part to Nomad-based hax), and then started to get invaded by Liberty before the Order wrapped things up in Omicron Major? If Kusari did get invaded, I think you'd probably be yelling at us that we hated Kusari for steamrolling over them for the second time in two decades.
Discovery 4.86 Storyline: Tau Conquest - bluntpencil2001 - 09-13-2010
' Wrote:This is a new story with a new plot. Deal with it. Stop. Making. It. WW2. Because if we do assign it to WW2, we get another one of those games and it becomes predictable and stale.Another one of those games like Freelancer?
Discovery 4.86 Storyline: Tau Conquest - sovereign - 09-13-2010
' Wrote:Another one of those games like Freelancer?
I lol'd.
On a more serious note, even if FL bases heavily off of stereotypes, it need not be ruled by them. Gallia takes some French style without getting stamped "Gallia loses because France didn't do well in a few RL wars". Stereotypes are storytelling tools; they are not the be-all-end-all.