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Corsair - Zoner - Dane Summers - 02-09-2012
' Wrote:I prefer to stay in a safe port, far from the storm.
*nods* Understandable, but I would say that hiding is no kinda life.
I think the duck and cover nature of zoners has fundamentally damaged us as a faction. Were so convinced that we can't win if we fight, that we don't even try. Legacy of Sina, maybe.
Either way, it's poison, and the last week has shown that it's an illusion.
I like peace as much as the next zoner - But I wont tolerate being bullied just because I let it happen, because people perceive me as weak. Once you give an inch, eventually you'll give a mile. (meter and kilometer for European folk).
Si vis pacem, parabellum.
Corsair - Zoner - Linkus - 02-09-2012
' Wrote:*nods* Understandable, but I would say that hiding is no kinda life.
I think the duck and cover nature of zoners has fundamentally damaged us as a faction. Were so convinced that we can't win if we fight, that we don't even try. Legacy of Sina, maybe.
Either way, it's poison, and the last week has shown that it's an illusion.
I like peace as much as the next zoner - But I wont tolerate being bullied just because I let it happen, because people perceive me as weak. Once you give an inch, eventually you'll give a mile. (meter and kilometer for European folk).
Si vis pacem, parabellum.
Can't rely on your own Zoner military though.
It's like a gang coming into your shop and demanding money.
Best thing to do is to set another gang on them.
Corsair - Zoner - DAnvilFan - 02-09-2012
Fighting back is not the problem. The problem is being accused of being a warmonger in OORP chat en mass.
Corsair - Zoner - Linkus - 02-09-2012
' Wrote:Fighting back is not the problem. The problem is being accused of being a warmonger in OORP chat en mass.
I've seen your devious plans to conquer Sirius.
If the Junkers spied for the Gallics, the Zoners spied for something even greater!
Which is slightly terrifying.
On a serious note, the confederation of ports in Southern Sirius is quite interesting. Will they have independent diplomacy? Will there be a unified defense force?
Corsair - Zoner - spikefin - 02-09-2012
' Wrote:The Zoners functioned best when we had the Council. We would debate, we would vote, there would be resolution. It did not fall apart because of a collapse in ideology. It collapsed because of oorp reasons (people got upset, leaders left, nobody wanted to pick up the torch). I was upset that after all the good the Council had done, suddenly people were just content to let it die and do its own thing. The Zoner official factions pretty much went 'Woop, no more council? Oh well! Time to go do our own thing.' I don't even remember what the Zoner Alliance was or attempted to be, because to do anything other than directly resume the role and form of the Council seemed to me absurd. I left Disco for a year, and when I came back, found the state of Zoner politics to be as muddled, directionless as I expected. On the sea of diplomacy, we are adrift. We are one boat with motors mounted on different sides, each attempting to push us in different directions, and getting us nowhere.
Are you that Ex-Zoner Gaurd I was talking to last week?
Sounds like it, Or is there more that 4 zoners returning after an extended leave horrified at the significant decline of zoner's gaming?
.:Z:.Anihilator
"Everyone wants the same tag but does not want to share responsibility for the other's mess. Which is a pity because that's half the fun of the game."
From memory most people had the opertunity to have there say back in there day.
And it was an individuals choice to participate or not, and if you didn't participate, you had no right to moan about outcomes.
Now...
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=118758
"Let me say right now that I accept the Corsairs' right to Theta and Omega-41. To think
that these systems, which are a mere jump away from your Empires heart, not to be a part of
Corsair space is illogical."
"Because our laws restrict access in our space for Gunships and larger combat vessels we will need a complete list of the large Zoners ships that will be used for defending the Zoner bases in our space in order to grant them unrestricted access in Omega 41 and Omicron Theta."
TAZ are happy to evict zoners, and restrict there access to there own stations from what I see. And Im almost certain, If it were there sector they wouldn't just hand it over.
"Were so convinced that we can't win if we fight, that we don't even try."
Um In order for us to win, Corsairs would have to lose, Im pretty sure if we got 100 zoners and allies, and invaded all there systems at once, continuously taking shifts for 2 week's without a Break, shooting anything and everything that moves, including food transports. the corsairs would still be winning.
Some reasons they would still be winning might be something like this.
You fool's you think we would starve, We only say that so people bring us more food, so we can keep a stock, We have enough food to feed out empire through a 100 year war.
Don't make me laugh zoner, Those weren't ships, we used a new catapult we just made to launch low cost pretend ships into space for you to waste your weapons on, Looks like we were right about how gullible you really are.
I think the BH's should go claim theta, or some other Corsair hostile group, If Corsairs can claim it, so can anyone else. Then BH's can demand zoners open there bases for the owners of the system, or them be scuttled. Maybe BH on one side and Hessians on the other.
EDIT:
Sorry Corsairs, Forgot since its someone imposing on your game play its oorp for such things to happen. Only your allowed to do such things.
Corsair - Zoner - DarthBindo - 02-09-2012
' Wrote:"Let me say right now that I accept the Corsairs' right to Theta and Omega-41. To thinkWhere exactly do you see TAZ evicting any zoners at all?
that these systems, which are a mere jump away from your Empires heart, not to be a part of
Corsair space is illogical."
"Because our laws restrict access in our space for Gunships and larger combat vessels we will need a complete list of the large Zoners ships that will be used for defending the Zoner bases in our space in order to grant them unrestricted access in Omega 41 and Omicron Theta."
TAZ are happy to evict zoners, and restrict there access to there own stations from what I see. And Im almost certain, If it were there sector they wouldn't just hand it over.
' Wrote:Um In order for us to win, Corsairs would have to lose, Im pretty sure if we got 100 zoners and allies, and invaded all there systems at once, continuously taking shifts for 2 week's without a Break, shooting anything and everything that moves, including food transports. the corsairs would still be winning.I've got a better reason.
Some reasons they would still be winning might be something like this.
Being so OORP it's not even funny doesn't have jack effect on lore.
I can take an entire lollegate fleet up to New York or to New London or New Berlin and shoot anything and everything that moves for as long as i want, it's oorp and doesn't mean a bloody thing.
' Wrote:I think the BH's should go claim theta, or some other Corsair hostile group, If Corsairs can claim it, so can anyone else. Then BH's can demand zoners open there bases for the owners of the system, or them be scuttled. Maybe BH on one side and Hessians on the other.BH has already claimed Delta and the Zoners didnt have a fuss about that.
' Wrote:EDIT:Imposing on your character by shooting him(moreover by shooting him in a conflict specifically mentioned in lore) is not imposing on your game play.
Sorry Corsairs, Forgot since its someone imposing on your game play its oorp for such things to happen. Only your allowed to do such things.
Oh wait, nvm i forgot you're one of those zonerzonerzoners who don't have any other characters.
EDIT:
Tell ya what. Have the guys from FP1 tell the Bretonians to go jog off, that Omega 3 is now a Zoner system and they can bloody well deal with Corsairs and Mollys and Hessians docking there, beacuse the Zoners won't do a damn thing about it, so HAH SHOOT US ALL YOU WANT WE HAVE LOLFLEETS OF NEPHILIMS AND SO MANY ALLIES WE PWN U.
See how long that lasts.
Get Dab and the Admiralty to back down from that fight, and then come bitch at us about Omicron Theta not being Corsair territory and how it's so imposing to add a label to a system.
Corsair - Zoner - spikefin - 02-09-2012
' Wrote:Imposing on your character by shooting him(moreover by shooting him in a conflict specifically mentioned in lore) is not imposing on your game play.
Oh wait, nvm i forgot you're one of those zonerzonerzoners who don't have any other characters.
The shooting me Didn't/Dosnt bother me People have before, and will again. Its actually hard to explain what does, It was the entire imposition. And actually I have other characters, They have issues with Corsairs to, and pirates, Just less imposing, more expected, and less "Forcible" impositions, I have a clear choice under these circumstances, Thats what was missing from This current situation, No zoner had a choice as an individual, At least thats what I experienced. As someone way better than me said (It was a Corsair or pirate)
The key to pirating is giving the player a complete sence that they have a choice, Thus allowing the potential for RP, Even if there fate was sealed as soon as you see them, Never let them know that.
Not exact words cant find the page, Think it was "key to pirating" or something like that.
As already stated, I was told by TBH leader, The only choice I had was to put pressure on official factions. Thats not a choice, Its a attempt forced course of action.
"Where exactly do you see TAZ evicting any zoners at all?"
By taz giving the space freely, Like it at least apears they have, Under "Corsair law" Also quoted, Any zoner who has anything Gunship and Bigger has to leave those systems and cannot return, Unless they become part of the "defence force" which based on Corsair actions, Is just plain suicide IMO, you know they will be at it again, when someone invades theta and docks on a FP. As someone else said who I beleive was here at the time, Corsairs already did this once, They do it again now, they will do it again, Next maybe they will want O-74.
"Get Dab and the Admiralty to back down from that fight, and then come bitch at us about Omicron Theta not being Corsair territory and how it's so imposing to add a label to a system."
Actually, Your label doesn't bother me, The restrictions you add to our freeports does, You remove those restrictions, Seeing the obvious that we may want to dock at our FP, And I say gofor it, call it Corsair space, It no longer effects me, I can still be neutral, Can still land at our bases, and your not restricting me.
I still think you should have been demanding the full re-application of all NFZ's clear and precise rules open process yada yada. To me, The same issue you have with what happened to you, Is no different than what you did to me, and others.
Difference is, Were all going to see the greenest grass on the other side of the fence.
Corsair - Zoner - DarthBindo - 02-09-2012
' Wrote:Shall we encourage canonizing Roleplay based on players getting into a pissing contest? Think about the example this sets for everyone.Honestly, it's already status quo for Discovery.
Order-Corsair,
Hessian-Outcast,
Molly-IMG(indies),
Outcasts-Rogues....
As long as we have players controlling factions, yeah, that's what's going to happen.
' Wrote:What wonderful logic - irradiate a paradise that you could've used to end your hunger problem.Except of course it will never do that.
First off, it'd be destroying the Corsairs one weakness (not that anybody minds destroying the weakness of any other faction, mind you) and second it'll never happen just beacuse.
The real question one has to ask oneself is how come it didn't happen before?
Big beautiful planet hanging in the middle of nowhere, somehow gets colonized and completely taken over by the Zoners before the Corsairs.
And wtf is up with everybody and their mother getting planets?
GC, Zoners, HF, SCRA, GMG Samura, Colonial Republic, The Order.... (and those are just the ones with no planet in vanilla)
anybody who bloody wants a planet gets one, except the Corsairs.
Corsair - Zoner - MÃmir - 02-09-2012
' Wrote:The key to pirating is giving the player a complete sence that they have a choice, Thus allowing the potential for RP,
So by your logics that should go for lawful forces too:DNewsflash, it doesn't work like that
Corsair - Zoner - DarthBindo - 02-09-2012
' Wrote:The shooting me Didn't/Dosnt bother me People have before, and will again. Its actually hard to explain what does, It was the entire imposition. And actually I have other characters, They have issues with Corsairs to, and pirates, Just less imposing, more expected, and less "Forcible" impositions, I have a clear choice under these circumstances, Thats what was missing from This current situation, No zoner had a choice as an individual, At least thats what I experienced. As someone way better than me said (It was a Corsair or pirate)Okey, i get what you're saying there, that indies don't have much choice in the matter.
The key to pirating is giving the player a complete sence that they have a choice, Thus allowing the potential for RP, Even if there fate was sealed as soon as you see them, Never let them know that.
Not exact words cant find the page, Think it was "key to pirating" or something like that.
As already stated, I was told by TBH leader, The only choice I had was to put pressure on official factions. Thats not a choice, Its a attempt forced course of action.
But the official factions do, and sometimes we do what must.
' Wrote:"Where exactly do you see TAZ evicting any zoners at all?"We don't "want" omicron theta.
By taz giving the space freely, Like it at least apears they have, Under "Corsair law" Also quoted, Any zoner who has anything Gunship and Bigger has to leave those systems and cannot return, Unless they become part of the "defence force" which based on Corsair actions, Is just plain suicide IMO, you know they will be at it again, when someone invades theta and docks on a FP. As someone else said who I beleive was here at the time, Corsairs already did this once, They do it again now, they will do it again, Next maybe they will want O-74.
We want the Zoners to acknowledge that it is already ours.
Honestly, I don't know why there aren't any Corsair stations in Theta already.
it's right next door, the infocards state it has a ton of exploitable resources, and Corsairs were there long before anyone else (except van rohe).
Corsair law was already enforced and has been enforced within Theta for .......a very long time.