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A Question from Zelot - Printable Version +- Discovery Gaming Community (https://discoverygc.com/forums) +-- Forum: Discovery Development (https://discoverygc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=7) +--- Forum: Discovery Mod General Discussion (https://discoverygc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=37) +--- Thread: A Question from Zelot (/showthread.php?tid=102667) |
RE: A Question from Zelot - kikatsu - 09-09-2013 The DK power station is an interesting idea (and it is nice to see you posting again) and I hope that it would draw in activity... but I guess I worry, because there was a Nomad city added to Newcastle and almost no one cares about that one, but I believe that that is more due to the lack of stuff going on with it and a general dislike for the massive system. You have enough material here to make it workable for sure though... just need to get people there first, then there is more than enough RP fuel for it to work. Kusari has always been one of those odd things that is just steeped in stagnation... but in regards for people who say a civil war would not be possible, I have some walls of text of my own, though I only wrote one of them. This stuff here provides more than enough basis and explanation for how it could go down in Kusari. And one thing is for certain, shooting people generates more activity than anything else, save for making money (unfortunately). Anyways, civil war fuel and hopefully stuff the devs might want to look at: (07-20-2013, 11:44 PM)kikatsu Wrote: I think the most likely course of events coming up is that the pieces for a civil war will be set up, and things will be set in motion. The Kusari Exiles, the original KNF forces under the emperor will have their ZoI extended up into Kyushu, and the Exiles will likely be terrorizing GRN ships and Gallic commercial ships all throughout the Taus, and the Exiles will likely be fighting the KNF to get back into power. Samura has been secretly supplying the Exiles in Leeds and Newcastle, so they might secretly support the Exiles as they attempt to retake Kusari. (07-21-2013, 06:03 AM)Stolt. Wrote:(07-20-2013, 11:44 PM)kikatsu Wrote: The main problem with the Exiles is that their forces are only "5 battleships, 10 Destroyers and 25 Gunboats and a handful of fighter and bomber wings" so they will not have the power to outright fight Kusari, even though the modern KNF has been crippled in the Gallic war, they still probably have ten times the amount of ships that the Exiles have, and still, Rheinland has been manufacturing KNF capital ships for them in an attempt to rearm Kusari. (07-23-2013, 02:16 AM)SummerMcLovin Wrote: As has been said, the Exiles ID will now include Kyushu in their ZoI and I believe their battleships will move to Roussillon and Tau-29. RE: A Question from Zelot - ProwlerPC - 09-09-2013 Some nice new reading in here. Glad to see you somewhat back, Dab. Sorry, Vince, I'm going to have to side with either Dab's idea or a civil war. Samura has been open in the past, there is a precedent, they did the original succesful coup after all. The thing is the important factor that it's recognized that conflict is the grease that keeps the Disco gears turning. Something I always understood and thus started little wars if there was stagnation showing. Dab's idea actually ends up including a handfull more factions then my idea I had thought of awhile back. We need to have mechanisms that keeps things moving in some direction especially this late in the community's existance. RE: A Question from Zelot - DeathsOverture - 09-13-2013 Thanks for the response, Dab. First of all: (09-09-2013, 06:22 AM)Dab Wrote: I'm not sure why you pasted two dozen infocards about it, since none of them are even relevant to this discussion?When I talk about the vanilla lore, I reference in-game sources. It lets people know when I'm blowing smoke out of my a** and when I'm not. (09-09-2013, 06:22 AM)Dab Wrote: It already has changed. Samura can't rely on its corrupt hold on the government, because that hold no longer exists, as you yourself elaborated on in your own post... You're telling me not to change something that was already changed 2 years ago?No, but two years doesn't even hold a candle to Samura's reign over Kusari. Given the history between these factions, I do not believe it would it be within Samura's character to let Kishiro get away with ousting them from power. I doubt the board of directors at Samura sat down and resolved to legitimately out-innovate Kishiro, which they must know is impossible by now. (09-09-2013, 06:22 AM)Dab Wrote: As for "aliens", no, no aliens have been introduced. There are no living Dom K'vash. The DK, however, were part of vanilla lore, and there are multiple examples of their now-dormant technology strewn about Sirius. The Order and Liberty have both benefitted from that technology, in the same way that I'm introducing here, though this addition wouldn't come close to equaling the knowledge Liberty has attained. You're telling me to be true to vanilla and not add in new stuff that doesn't make sense, when this story line uses nothing BUT vanilla lore. Nor does it even elaborate on what technology Samura could gain, if any. It's the PROMISE of what MIGHT be that would drive this conflict.I understand that DK and Nomads are vanilla. Honestly, I'm just trying to represent the opposing viewpoint that we already have such great opportunities for roleplay within Kusari. I don't see any reason why 4.87 Kusari RP should focus on a DK structure in a system that you yourself are describing as the "Outer Regions" of Kusari. Honestly I think that is representative of the fundamental problem we have been facing with gameplay in the Discovery mod. There is too much focus on developing 'tourist systems' which see barely any natural traffic aside from the occasion explorer and a trader at the end of his route. Why must the controversy that fuels 4.87 Kusari RP be so far detached from Kusari itself? (09-09-2013, 06:22 AM)Dab Wrote:Dab, there are more than just you and I reading this thread. Not everyone knows as much about Kusari as you do. True, your story line doesn't change Kusari's theme, but neither does it expand on it.(09-08-2013, 11:41 PM)DeathsOverture Wrote: The original story writers crafted Kusari with the theme of traditionalism versus modernization.Apologies if I missed something, but what does this have to do with my proposal? This storyline wouldn't have even the slightest change to that dynamic, keeping it intact and preserved. (09-09-2013, 06:22 AM)Dab Wrote: You yourself said that the Okinawa system and the Hokkaido gate scheme by Samura were both brilliant and highly accurate to Kusari's lore.. I did make all of those you'd remember? This storyline further expands their gameplay actions (something that is sorely lacking in Kusari), while preserving the current lore.How could I forget? Okinawa was a great addition because not only did stir up a huge amount of roleplay between the GMG and Kusari, it led to new tensions with Kishiro as well (at least between the player factions). Nagano and Rishiri were good ideas but there is no actual tension in those systems, since there is no presence of any faction hostile or even unfriendly to Samura. (09-09-2013, 06:22 AM)Dab Wrote: Plenty of nice loreplay, but no gameplay is added through this.Conversely, I see insufficient loreplay opportunity in your proposal. We've roleplayed the same (basic) relationships and rivalries in Kusari for the last six years - and you are right, it's causing Kusari to stagnate. So, why can't we shake things up a little? The last few iterations of Discovery have already been pushing us in that direction. I see enormous potential to revolutionize Kusari gameplay while expanding on the existing themes and really focusing on core Kusari. Quote: OORP: AFA becomes the new Kusari Xenos, where everyone wants to shoot them except Samura and any sympathizers... speaking of which, Kishiro knows that the KNF and KSP can't be trusted to finish the job with the Emperor. That is the true purpose of the installation at Nansei - use the Alliance rebellion as an excuse to bring in mercenaries and patiently wait for the chance to nip the Emperor's return in the bud. Which company will have the honor of being the official hunters of the Kusari exiles? Let the players decide. Quote: OORP: The Democratic Party may have majority over the conservatives, but what about the Hogosha? They've been the face of corruption in Kusari for centuries... a new government may be in power, but the same principles of fear and greed still apply. Here's the thing: In a democracy, all they need to do is control the swing vote to win majorities. In fact, the Hogosha have to be realizing that the democratic system actually works to THEIR advantage since they can push their agenda directly, instead of using their 'influences' on the council under the Emperor. With the Hogosha still able to pull strings in the government, Kishiro will need to play ball if they want to maintain control over Kusari... "Wait, Vince. You can't possibly be proposing a Hogosha-Kishiro relationship!?" There's an immense amount of profit to be made in modernizing Kusari. Would the Hogosha want to be a part of it with Kishiro? I think the Hogosha really have two choices: Start 'investing' in revolutionizing Kusari, or hide in the shadows looking for opportunities to weaken Kishiro until the emperor makes his move. From a gameplay standpoint, it'd be nice to shake things up in this way. It's just an idea, but I think it would spice things up between the Kusari factions if the Hogosha were to start supporting Kishiro. It should lead to rising tensions between the Hogosha and the Farmer Alliance, Samura, and the Kusari Exiles. Also, if the GMG and Blood Dragons find out who's pulling the strings that should enrage them against the new government and Kishiro... This sets the stage for a NEW three-way power struggle in Kusari. -Kishiro with Hogosha and foreign investors (IC, Gallia?) with mercenary support. -Exiles with Samura and Farmer Alliance. -Blood Dragons with GC, backed still by the GMG. ... Do you see what just happened? There is an alternative, yet subtle motive that the Hogosha could have by backing Kishiro. Samura could be the puppeteer behind the grand scheme, where the Hogosha are the strings. By driving the GMG and Kishiro alliance apart and renewing the Blood Dragon's zeal (but this time against Kishiro), they would cause general chaos in Kusari - drawing attention away from the exiles and weakening Kusari in preparation for the Emperor's return. Where will the KNF stand? I think that should be left unsaid - it leaves a huge amount of tension as none of the above groups would stand a chance against the KNF if the shogun were to make another stab for power. Poor KSP can't really do much but support whomever is making the laws... Quote: Quote: OORP: How about some space catapult sabotage? Honestly, Osaka doesn't really serve much purpose anymore. It's perfectly plausible that Samura would insure the station (with IC?) and then sabotage it themselves to fund their endeavors elsewhere. It gives KSP, Kempeitai, and Samura some RP opportunity for an investigation. Perhaps a terrorist group (phantoms in hanshu zomg) will claim responsibility to boast their strength. In terms of gameplay, the resulting field of scrap should draw some Junkers into Kusari if we can get some good scrap mining rates. I wouldn't say we should add a Junker Base as there's already one just one jump away, plus the Hogosha are still around. Quote: OORP: Kishiro is under pressure from Gallia to open trade to start making their relationship profitable, and thus, the peace... although there are only a few systems that a jumpgate is feasible. Kishiro's proposal would have kept Kusari's construction site within one jump of New Tokyo, and would hopefully lure in the exiles -whose whereabouts are unknown. However, the project would require a great deal of trade lane and jumpgate construction in Gallia's Provence system, leading Gallia to propose connecting Rishiri with Lyonnais. A gate construction in Rishiri (or Nagano) would be extremely controversial, since the FA would be vehemently opposed to opening up Rishiri and Nagano to foreign influence. The GC on the other hand would want to open up all of Kusari to foreign culture. This could be an interesting way to give GC and FA something to fight over. It would be interesting to see Samura's position on a jumpgate to Gallia. They could rake in some serious profits if they can engineer the trade agreement with Gallia to their advantage... Though to be honest I'm not certain whether they have the leverage since Rishiri is already part of Kusari Territory. In any case, it would be interesting to see how this situation plays out. --- So, there you go. Food for thought. I do not dislike your ideas, I just don't want to see 4.87 Kusari RP focus around a border conflict. |