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RE: are fighters with spyglass/battleship scanners OORP? - Omi - 01-13-2014
(01-13-2014, 12:31 AM)Kazinsal Wrote: It has been my intention for a while to limit the Spyglass Scanner to Spyglass-platform starships (Arbiter, Resheph, and anything SRPed) and to limit Battleship Scanners to battleship-class starships only. I do not yet have the final OK to implement this, but I am continuing to push for it.
Stop, please.
If you honestly intend to go ahead with this change, then at least repurpose the damn Spyglass Scanner in some way, shape, or form, since the Battleship Scanner is entirely appropriate for "Spyglass-platform starships" and that way we aren't wasting a perfectly good scanner on two damn ships.
As it stands, the idea sounds terrible to me. I don't know to what extent you devs take community input into account, but consider me against your proposal.
RE: are fighters with spyglass/battleship scanners OORP? - tothebonezone - 01-13-2014
I bet you didn't realize the BS Scanner still said it reached out to 20k. You know what that was for? Finding objects in space. Holes, planets, whatnot.
Not only that, it was once the Battleship License. It was never meant to be on fighters to begin with.
You want to abuse the obviously unbalanced scanner and blow hundreds of millions on them, throwing them on all of your fighters? Be my guest.
Don't you dare complain when your toy is broken.
RE: are fighters with spyglass/battleship scanners OORP? - Savas - 01-13-2014
You'd think that a battleship sized scanner array would be about the size of a snub...
RE: are fighters with spyglass/battleship scanners OORP? - Omi - 01-13-2014
(01-13-2014, 11:17 PM)Saronsen Wrote: I bet you didn't realize the BS Scanner still said it reached out to 20k. You know what that was for? Finding objects in space. Holes, planets, whatnot.
Not only that, it was once the Battleship License. It was never meant to be on fighters to begin with.
You want to abuse the obviously unbalanced scanner and blow hundreds of millions on them, throwing them on all of your fighters? Be my guest.
Don't you dare complain when your toy is broken.
I've never bought a Battleship License/Scanner in my life - whether attached to a battleship or not. Sorry to disappoint.
I just don't see the sense in locking things away behind more restrictions et cetera, especially the part outlined about the Spyglass Scanner. Repurpose it as some other kind of scanner, at least; don't throw it away as a package deal with two of the least flown/seen ships in the entire mod. A lot of the complaints about the Battleship Scanner seem to be just related to its name, and could be solved by a simple namechange to something like Wide Array Scanner, or something similar and less bad-sounding.
Explore into scouting LFs, or something.
RE: are fighters with spyglass/battleship scanners OORP? - Kazinsal - 01-13-2014
So the current line of thinking is renaming Battleship Scanner to Long Range Scanner or something to that effect and going ahead with my original plan with the Spyglass Scanner.
My preferred thing to go with from there is removing the Spyglass Scanner sell point, reducing its cost, and bundling it with the Arbiter and Resheph.
RE: are fighters with spyglass/battleship scanners OORP? - Jinx - 01-13-2014
and thats a fair process.
snubs won t loose the ability to customize with an extremly expensive piece of hardware and gain 25k for a generic scanner
and the spyglass scanner will be bound to a number of limited ships ( which is the spyglass/arbiter ) and remains a rare and very neat RP item.
i don t see a looser here - unless you really went for a SPYGLASS scanner on a non spyglass. if you did that - i am sure you were also aware of the lore of the scanner ( else why pick a scanner that is even more expensive than a BB scanner that has no benefit at all over it - unless you just liked the name for some reason )
i am sure IF there are players that actually have SPYglass scanners on snubs or non spyglass ships can try to submit a SRP for it and explain how a 2 miles long scanner got miniaturized.
the rest can just use the former BB scanner that is then renamed to something generic - with the same stats. and it won t sound ooRP to fly with such a scanner around anymore.
RE: are fighters with spyglass/battleship scanners OORP? - Omi - 01-13-2014
I like that solution more, although I still don't see why the Arbiter and Resheph need super-duper, oh-so-exclusive special scanners. It's not like having a BS Scanner/Long Range Scanner with a different name makes the ship's roleplay that much more fancy, you know - at least how I see it.
I understand you might have a personal stake in giving the Arbiter some more unique polish, but it doesn't quite mesh with what the already-existent scanner slot could be used for, from where I'm sitting.
Consider also that some of the people using Spyglass Scanner right now might only be doing it because it sounds less silly than flying around with a "Battleship Scanner" on something that isn't a battleship. At least "Spyglass Scanner" sounds like a brand name, or something.
RE: are fighters with spyglass/battleship scanners OORP? - Thargoid - 01-13-2014
(01-13-2014, 11:26 PM)Kazinsal Wrote: So the current line of thinking is renaming Battleship Scanner to Long Range Scanner or something to that effect and going ahead with my original plan with the Spyglass Scanner.
My preferred thing to go with from there is removing the Spyglass Scanner sell point, reducing its cost, and bundling it with the Arbiter and Resheph.
Does does this mean we can still fit a Long Range Scanner to a snub?
And if this goes ahead can someone please swap out my now useless Spyglass scanners for the new kind?
The only reason I chose them over BS scanners is because it sounds better than "Battleship Scanner" when fitted to my Barghest.
But I kinda liked the name and the fact it's quite a rare item so fitted one to my Dread and Cruiser.
I sold a few of them and only have 2 left.
RE: are fighters with spyglass/battleship scanners OORP? - Thargoid - 01-13-2014
(01-13-2014, 11:39 PM)Omicega Wrote: Consider also that some of the people using Spyglass Scanner right now might only be doing it because it sounds less silly than flying around with a "Battleship Scanner" on something that isn't a battleship. At least "Spyglass Scanner" sounds like a brand name, or something.
Yeah, this is my reason, I made that post before I read this
Also Rogues/Outcasts have an affiliation with the Hackers, and that's who you buy the scanner from, so I never seen a problem with it RP wise (popped one on my OC Dread and Rogue Dessie), if I had one on a Xeno Waran or a DSE Hegemon then it would be kinda stupid.
RE: are fighters with spyglass/battleship scanners OORP? - Kazinsal - 01-13-2014
(01-13-2014, 11:44 PM)Thargoid Wrote: Does does this mean we can still fit a Long Range Scanner to a snub?
Yep. Price isn't changing though.
(01-13-2014, 11:51 PM)Thargoid Wrote: and that's who you buy the scanner from
Which is a really really bad mistake lore-wise -- the Hellfire Legion was the driving force behind the Spyglass project being taken from the Liberty Navy.