(05-06-2015, 12:28 PM)jammi Wrote: Except that doesn't make a whole ton of sense either. Freelancer's background lore makes a heavy point of showing how inter-dependent and linked the Houses are. They all produce goods the others need and have historically relied on one another to produce specialty technology and provide economic support. The Boorman Treaty was designed as a peace accord between the Houses, probably mandating the demilitarization of the border systems between Houses, because that interlinked dynamic was so important.

As an example, the sleeper ship Bretonia was damaged while escaping Sol and arrived significantly later than the other ships. Because of that, it was relegated to an extremely sub-optimal site which was cut off from the other Houses by the Barrier Nebula. This stunted Bretonia for centuries and that wasn't even total isolation. It's only after hundreds of years of inter-house cooperation, the advent of the jump gates and the very, very recent discovery of Dublin that Bretonia caught up to their peers.

If Gallia was so enormously resource rich, the Bretonia would've landed there instead. If we instead go with the story that Gallia is actually a long, long distance from Sirius, how did they find it in the first place? It's deux ex machina either way you look at it. In Sirius, isolation is an extremely bad thing. The Houses were all consuming their own internal resources too, but they still needed each other to prosper. That's one of the most puzzling aspects of Gallia if you ask me (aside from the constant and ceaseless barrage of retcons, that is).

They're trading with Kusari and Rheinland now, yes, but 4 years of open borders doesn't make up for centuries of stagnation and isolation. It's totally possible to have a self-sufficient state. But it's not going to be anywhere near competitive with its neighbours.

(05-06-2015, 11:50 AM)Stefan_Steinar Wrote: they go an army fine... how do they fund it inRP? there are no traders up there no miners nothing... where is their cash coming from ... just thinking

(05-06-2015, 03:00 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote: I've always had questions about gallia like:

How did they make that many captial ships, get that many supporters without any foreign trade or affairs?
How did they manage to develop battleships more powerful then anything else, from nothing but scraps, in that large of numbers? Given the other houses have bs that are weaker and have less.
Why does such a powerful house with so much power decide to spend its resources on revenge rather than wait until the houses have eaten themselves?
How does a monarchy control that many people?
How is it that the GRN are completely fine with killing so many in droves?
How is it that no other factions came across gallia?
Why did gallia spend all its resources when it could have spent it on better standards of living?
What kind of people make blueprints and construct such an army and put in such arrogant hands?
How did such a large group so accomplished hold a grudge over something that happens so long ago?and so few were told about?
If the council has control over gallic battleships why not give the blueprints of the wars old technology to Bretonia and liberty?

(05-06-2015, 03:00 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote: I've always had questions about gallia like:

How did they make that many captial ships, get that many supporters without any foreign trade or affairs?

Get supporters from inside the house and work with what you have maybe? Occupy populace with a massive war machine so they'll have better things to do than wonder why they are still living in a monarchy in the 4th millenia?

How did they manage to develop battleships more powerful then anything else, from nothing but scraps, in that large of numbers? Given the other houses have bs that are weaker and have less.
Nothing but scraps? What are you talking about? At "manage to develop" part, see above.
Why does such a powerful house with so much power decide to spend its resources on revenge immediately rather than wait until the houses have eaten themselves?

Multiple answers:

1. Eight centuries are barely immediately. Houses had a lot of time to eat eachother, and they kinda did as GRN had the biggest navy when the occupation started.
   
2. Revenge is only the public reason, as Gallia spent most of it's resources on the war machine, they are depleting, and thus the Crown is in need of new resources. That's why after eight centuries it was necessary to begin the conquest already.

How does a monarchy control that many people?

Keep them occupied, introduce values and moral code into the culture at an early point in history by which people become easily controllable. If in need of more tips, check real life history. We had monarchies for quite long, and still having dictatorships existing in the world.

How is it that the GRN are completely fine with killing so many in droves?
GRN is not for sissies who puke at the sight of blood. Enemies of the Crown are to be turned or killed without mercy.
How is it that no other factions came across gallia?
Minefield isolation, pmuch what Shinju said.
Why did gallia spend all its resources on war when it could have spent it on better standards of living?

Because a common enemy is one of the few things which can the most easily unite a nation and operating/maintaining a war machine to have revenge on that common enemy later is a great occupation of the body and the mind. One of the main tools of dictatorships to keep people controlled. See North-Korea for example. Of course this does not mean that resources were entirely used up by the war machine as your question may imply, it didn't spend all resources on it and the standards of living in Gallia are not that bad in general. (Though that may vary between regions, just like how it does everywhere else.)

What kind of people make blueprints and construct such an army and put in such arrogant hands?
Corporate engineers of EFL, Solar, GMS. People loyal to the Crown.
How did such a large group so accomplished hold a grudge over something that happens so long ago?and so few were told about?

What do you mean by "large group"? Gallia is a nation. And as I said, a common enemy (through an ancient grudge) can derail people's attention from the real problems within the house.

If the council has control over gallic battleships why not give the blueprints of the warwolfs technology to Bretonia and liberty?

Council has no control over the most recent Valor designs, no forward gun, we have older blueprints, but we won't give them away either for the same reason Liberty and Bretonia are not sharing sensitive information with us: there are things just too worthy to sell and there are things which can be used against us. Even the closest allies have secrets.

About Cambrai: yeah, that bugs me too. If possible I'll ask for reverting it's model to a proper Redemption.

(05-06-2015, 03:00 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote: How did they make that many captial ships, get that many supporters without any foreign trade or affairs?

(05-06-2015, 03:00 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote: Why did gallia spend all its resources on war when it could have spent it on better standards of living?

(05-06-2015, 04:09 PM)Miaou Wrote:

(05-06-2015, 03:00 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote: How did they make that many captial ships, get that many supporters without any foreign trade or affairs?

We are talking planets here. Why does everyone over look that? Earth is able to support itself and we don't even trade with other planets.

(05-06-2015, 03:00 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote: Why did gallia spend all its resources on war when it could have spent it on better standards of living?

The First Gallic War, and the continuation of the Second Gallic War. They were not sitting idle. There was/is groups like the council who opposed the royalist to the point where warships would be needed. Before the Second Gallia war spilled into Sirius, they upped their production a bit more. It's not like each valor was made for the invasion. Most of them already existed.

Thyr pretty much summed up everything else.

(05-06-2015, 04:19 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote: This first point remains as we aren't in the future with more demands.

However I totally forgot the second point you made I suppose that's true. I would ask more but I don't want to appear as a GRN hater. /no sarcasm

(05-06-2015, 04:52 PM)Miaou Wrote:

(05-06-2015, 04:19 PM)Punisher5431 Wrote: This first point remains as we aren't in the future with more demands.

However I totally forgot the second point you made I suppose that's true. I would ask more but I don't want to appear as a GRN hater. /no sarcasm

There's a lot of stuff that happens on planets that you don't see. Just because Freelancer/Disco focuses on the space side doesn't mean those oddly sized balls of dirt doesn't have it's own industries, factions, conflicts, production and more. Just saying "FUTURE" doesn't mean we suddenly need more. This isn't Sid Meier's Civilization.

I'm totally fine answering questions about Gallia, and I'm sure others are too. There seems to be a lot of what makes Gallia, well, Gallia that people don't seem to get. Most of it is people who don't even look into it or try and understand it and go "gallia dumb pls remove" as if that'll actually happen.

inb4 someone says gallia is dumb pls remove.