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RE: Liberty Separatist ID added - Cortana Clark - 06-17-2018
(06-17-2018, 08:12 AM)Shikizumi Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:03 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote: RP is done but now I should pay 500M in your eyes? I can totaly understand your point that not everyone should be able to bring his cruiser into the separatists without roleplay but then again I need a better solution than that I need to pay for something that was made a longer time ago
You should pay 250m in my eyes, which is nothing to be honest.
It is not much yes but why should I pay for it give me atleast 1 good reason for it? the ships arent in the sepis since yesterday and they fighted alot against the navy and showed its worth so why do I need to pay now?
RE: Liberty Separatist ID added - Shiki - 06-17-2018
(06-17-2018, 08:16 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:12 AM)Shikizumi Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:03 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote: RP is done but now I should pay 500M in your eyes? I can totaly understand your point that not everyone should be able to bring his cruiser into the separatists without roleplay but then again I need a better solution than that I need to pay for something that was made a longer time ago
You should pay 250m in my eyes, which is nothing to be honest.
It is not much yes but why should I pay for it give me atleast 1 good reason for it? the ships arent in the sepis since yesterday and they fighted alot against the navy and showed its worth so why do I need to pay now?
To make admins to vote and make sure that you are serious in your intentions. But you have Skorak adding ID so you don't have to do things fairly like other players anymore.)
EDIT: Ye he did not add it himself, he had to poke impy for 3 weeks to implement it. But you got the point, I guess.
RE: Liberty Separatist ID added - Corpus13 - 06-17-2018
Why do you need this thing, when you had this? Everyone, who wants to fly your faction, without joining it, could just fill a template and do stuff.
(06-17-2018, 07:48 AM)Sombra Hookier Wrote:(06-17-2018, 07:22 AM)Lucas Wrote: What I never really understood is why do we have 2 defected Liberty Navy Factions, instead of doing it for any other house.
1. IKN vs KNF - project failed because there is literally no reason to log in Kusari with the way things are game-wise in Kusari
2. Liberty is the center of activity - you log there and will get a guaranteed encounter
3. Feel free to try to create a separatist/defector faction in any other house. It requires players to do it.
Rheinland has multiple political active groups with large resources. Red Hessians are matter of factly a rebellion and both Bundschuh and Unioners aren't quite different when it comes to such things. In Liberty, for comparison, you have the Rogues who don't care much for Liberty's politics at all. Their mentality is "Let's just cause trouble!" - they do have some motivations for that, of course, but Hellfire and Harmony have more solid ones: Hellfire fights corruption. Harmony fights infected.
Gallia has the Council, which practically embodies "defectors" to a level where they have quite the same shipline as Gallic Lawful has, but also not, if you compare Redemption and Valor. Bretonia is pretty much the only house that is untouched by that, as they are described as a bastion of incorruption, although the political powerplays in the Board of Admiralty would probably allow certain moves to happen. However, with Gallia ante portas, Bretonia is literally unified, as even Mollys and Gaians are sticking to the Non-Aggression-Pact.
1. So, instead of promoting activity in these regions, you are bringing even more attention to the Liberty. Not a good game.
2. See above.
3. The whole concept of "defectors" is questionable itself and you should have really good RP reason to do so. Even your Mako, which is in fact defecter, doesn't have a lot of human personnel aboard and now question yourself, will the usual soldier leave their family aboard? These defectors group would turn into chaos and anarchy as soon, as there appear people, who don't want to defect and who do. And I bet, that the first type of people would win.
I have nothing against the Battlegroup Harmony, however adding the indie ID with currently existing alternative is just ridiculos.
And for removing cruisers from the ID line. The Harmony doesn't have to have such a big fleet anyway. Want to get a cruiser? Explain why do you can here. It's rather funny just because DWR, who asked for cruisers line in our official ID with having such a powerful allies, like the Order and Hessians, got denied, but the Harmony indie ID gets access to them anyway.))
RE: Liberty Separatist ID added - Cortana Clark - 06-17-2018
(06-17-2018, 08:17 AM)Shikizumi Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:16 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:12 AM)Shikizumi Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:03 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote: RP is done but now I should pay 500M in your eyes? I can totaly understand your point that not everyone should be able to bring his cruiser into the separatists without roleplay but then again I need a better solution than that I need to pay for something that was made a longer time ago
You should pay 250m in my eyes, which is nothing to be honest.
It is not much yes but why should I pay for it give me atleast 1 good reason for it? the ships arent in the sepis since yesterday and they fighted alot against the navy and showed its worth so why do I need to pay now?
To make admins to vote and make sure that you are serious in your intentions. But you have Skorak adding ID so you don't have to do things fairly like other players anymore.)
I have made my own faction I plan some SRP and RP and event missions and you want to make sure that my intentions are serious?
RE: Liberty Separatist ID added - Reeves - 06-17-2018
Since this thread is exploding into multiple avenues, I thought I'd cut through a little and offer some constructive feedback.
For those that don't know, I'm in large part responsible for the in-roleplay position of Harmony at present, there were some lovely under-hand dealings with the Lane Hackers that made the event regarding their exodus happen. I didn't have any qualms with Harmony as a faction then and I certainly don't now, though its roster has seen a dramatic change post-exodus.
I will state that every encounter, or rather, almost every encounter with indie separatists has been distinctively lacking in quality and sometimes just logic. I don't mean to be rude, but it really undermines the quality standards of the actual faction behind that IFF. If things went my way, there wouldn't be a provision for indies under this ID, it would have to be official faction-only, if you want special detachments you can fork up the 250 million and do some special roleplay to justify it.
(06-17-2018, 08:12 AM)Shikizumi Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:03 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote: RP is done but now I should pay 500M in your eyes? I can totaly understand your point that not everyone should be able to bring his cruiser into the separatists without roleplay but then again I need a better solution than that I need to pay for something that was made a longer time ago
You should pay 250m in my eyes, which is nothing to be honest.
I do agree with Shiki here that any further capital-ship additions to the side of the Separatists has to be through SRPs and with enough roleplay and backstory to back these drastic changes in loyalties, being reluctant to shell out 250 million and work for something just seems a little cheap and it does do a whole lot to undermine the efforts of those associated to you. For the most part, in my eyes, the original composition of the Battlegroup made sense, and then all of a sudden I began noticing untagged separatists showing up with a variety of ships, which unlike Harmony, they lacked an explanation for.
There has to be a give and take, I think everyone realizes they can't have exactly what they want, but being reasonable should still be on the table here.
RE: Liberty Separatist ID added - Shiki - 06-17-2018
(06-17-2018, 08:20 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:17 AM)Shikizumi Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:16 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:12 AM)Shikizumi Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:03 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote: RP is done but now I should pay 500M in your eyes? I can totaly understand your point that not everyone should be able to bring his cruiser into the separatists without roleplay but then again I need a better solution than that I need to pay for something that was made a longer time ago
You should pay 250m in my eyes, which is nothing to be honest.
It is not much yes but why should I pay for it give me atleast 1 good reason for it? the ships arent in the sepis since yesterday and they fighted alot against the navy and showed its worth so why do I need to pay now?
To make admins to vote and make sure that you are serious in your intentions. But you have Skorak adding ID so you don't have to do things fairly like other players anymore.)
I have made my own faction I plan some SRP and RP and event missions and you want to make sure that my intentions are serious?
You are serious, but there are other players that are not serious with their SPRs. To make sure there are less of them, you have this small fee. And yes, everyone is equal.
RE: Liberty Separatist ID added - Cortana Clark - 06-17-2018
(06-17-2018, 08:24 AM)Shikizumi Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:20 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:17 AM)Shikizumi Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:16 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:12 AM)Shikizumi Wrote: You should pay 250m in my eyes, which is nothing to be honest.
It is not much yes but why should I pay for it give me atleast 1 good reason for it? the ships arent in the sepis since yesterday and they fighted alot against the navy and showed its worth so why do I need to pay now?
To make admins to vote and make sure that you are serious in your intentions. But you have Skorak adding ID so you don't have to do things fairly like other players anymore.)
I have made my own faction I plan some SRP and RP and event missions and you want to make sure that my intentions are serious?
You are serious, but there are other players that are not serious with their SPRs. To make sure there are less of them, you have this small fee. And yes, everyone is equal.
I know that everyone is equal and as said I can understand the point with the cruisers really but then the secondary navy fleet should also only be able to use ships up to gunboats or otherwise they need to be in the main fleet or do SRP as you said everyone is equal and that a single navy pilot is capable to just buy a Dreadgnought is also impossible if we go for the lore or the fairness
RE: Liberty Separatist ID added - Corpus13 - 06-17-2018
(06-17-2018, 08:29 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:24 AM)Shikizumi Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:20 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:17 AM)Shikizumi Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:16 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote: It is not much yes but why should I pay for it give me atleast 1 good reason for it? the ships arent in the sepis since yesterday and they fighted alot against the navy and showed its worth so why do I need to pay now?
To make admins to vote and make sure that you are serious in your intentions. But you have Skorak adding ID so you don't have to do things fairly like other players anymore.)
I have made my own faction I plan some SRP and RP and event missions and you want to make sure that my intentions are serious?
You are serious, but there are other players that are not serious with their SPRs. To make sure there are less of them, you have this small fee. And yes, everyone is equal.
I know that everyone is equal and as said I can understand the point with the cruisers really but then the secondary navy fleet should also only be able to use ships up to gunboats or otherwise they need to be in the main fleet or do SRP as you said everyone is equal and that a single navy pilot is capable to just buy a Dreadgnought is also impossible if we go for the lore or the fairness
Single navy pilots don't buy caps. In fact, navy pilots don't buy ships at all.
Also look above.
RE: Liberty Separatist ID added - Shiki - 06-17-2018
(06-17-2018, 08:29 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:24 AM)Shikizumi Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:20 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:17 AM)Shikizumi Wrote:(06-17-2018, 08:16 AM)Amina Rodriges Wrote: It is not much yes but why should I pay for it give me atleast 1 good reason for it? the ships arent in the sepis since yesterday and they fighted alot against the navy and showed its worth so why do I need to pay now?
To make admins to vote and make sure that you are serious in your intentions. But you have Skorak adding ID so you don't have to do things fairly like other players anymore.)
I have made my own faction I plan some SRP and RP and event missions and you want to make sure that my intentions are serious?
You are serious, but there are other players that are not serious with their SPRs. To make sure there are less of them, you have this small fee. And yes, everyone is equal.
I know that everyone is equal and as said I can understand the point with the cruisers really but then the secondary navy fleet should also only be able to use ships up to gunboats or otherwise they need to be in the main fleet or do SRP as you said everyone is equal and that a single navy pilot is capable to just buy a Dreadgnought is also impossible if we go for the lore or the fairness
Liberty Navy is having lore and facilities that are backing massive use of the capital ships. It's vanilla lore that is backed by discovery developers and real-in game infrastructure like massive economy and shipyars. It's easy to understand and actually obvious, but not for you for whatever reason.
RE: Liberty Separatist ID added - Val - 06-17-2018
Quote:I will state that every encounter, or rather, almost every encounter with indie separatists has been distinctively lacking in quality and sometimes just logic. I don't mean to be rude, but it really undermines the quality standards of the actual faction behind that IFF.
Because some Separatists need again a better RP or experience on Disco. But Harmony is an excelent faction for the learning of the RP. However i'm sorry to tell you that the RP of independant Separatists increased this last time, on the forums and in game. Since how mant time you didn't meet a Separatists ?