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RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - Reacher - 04-26-2019
RHA/SCRA/Rot Front have consistently gotten "ice'd out/cold-shouldered" off and on since back to 4.85. The only difference being was that the server was at near full capacity during peak times and at worst 50 players in the dead-time... so the effects of were not as potent as they are today. Same crap, different day, new players.
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - Corpus13 - 04-26-2019
The most of the people who say that "ganks are natural and fine" forget that we actually have very limited and small playerbase in general. It means, if people get upset and refuse playing with you - you won't find anyone else to play with and eventually you need to care about ensuring, that fun is for everyone. And fun isn't only about winning, but the struggle to win. Sadly in most cases RHA leaves no chance to win, like it was during Hamburg event (that wasn't only RHA fault, but was just horribly organized. Even though, 4 RHA snubs killling my single RM bomber wasn't that fun.) and many others. Of course, it's also a mutual problem and RM is one to blame for not bringing enough people, but still. Also your atitude towards ganking really feels like you are actually enjoying this (with this, I mean all these jokes about ganking opposite team with 20 jorms). It might be my sense of humor being dead also and it's just a irony, that I don't get.
I also want to apologise for some not that nice words about you, that I said behind your back. I was extremly salty and nervous after this mess at Vierlande and I understand, that it wasn't correct, good or anything else. My fault.
And finally - you have done a great job with RHA. May I like this faction or not, you indeed made it into something great. Good job.
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - Loken - 04-26-2019
(04-26-2019, 02:01 PM)Reacher Wrote: RHA/SCRA/Rot Front have consistently gotten "ice'd out/cold-shouldered" off and on since back to 4.85. The only difference being was that the server was at near full capacity during peak times and at worst 50 players in the dead-time... so the effects of were not as potent as they are today. Same crap, different day, new players.
I've found plenty of interaction to keep me occupied. Every time you run, mine every single lane in Stuttgart before I'm even in the system, say *farts* in system chat and log off in fear it only hurts your activity not ours, because usually I don't do the same.
I just find someone else to interact with.
By all means keep doing it though, it's an endless source of amusement for me.
Having someone I have hardly ever interacted with despise me and pass judgements about my character due to presumptions made only based on a tag is quite hilarious.
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - Madvillain - 04-26-2019
Good point, coalition and hessians are two different factions.... That share a same emergency channel and basically if you fight one, the other always shows up. I'm not telling people in tbh not to fight these groups, but I definitely don't ask them to do so anymore either. If custodi and sairs would do the same in the mentioned situation, it would have been Corsairs to get fingers pointed at. It seems incredibly difficult to get through some thick skulls explaining the situation as it is. Everyone around rha/scra adapts to their playstyle by ignoring and avoiding them. That's just action reaction. Meanwhile rha / coalition demands everyone around them to adapt to them, to cater for their needs and wishes. That's not how the cookie crumbles. As tbh I can say that fights with baf, core, RM, Aps, you name it basically, are always more enjoyable, you can sense a mutual respect. I used to respect rha, but that respect is gone after continuing asshat behaviour ingame, a self victimising culture that portrays their bad behaviour towards everyone else as a protest against the devs, cyber bullying targeting particular individuals and a toxic attitude both on discord and on forums. That's not all weskers fault, not all reeves fault either. But that's the legacy wesker leaves behind when he leaves in June. Meanwhile all the other factions treat each other with respect and have good fun together. GG
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - Reacher - 04-26-2019
(04-26-2019, 02:16 PM)Loken Wrote:(04-26-2019, 02:01 PM)Reacher Wrote: RHA/SCRA/Rot Front have consistently gotten "ice'd out/cold-shouldered" off and on since back to 4.85. The only difference being was that the server was at near full capacity during peak times and at worst 50 players in the dead-time... so the effects of were not as potent as they are today. Same crap, different day, new players.
I've found plenty of interaction to keep me occupied. Every time you run, mine every single lane in Stuttgart before I'm even in the system, say *farts* in system chat and log off in fear it only hurts your activity not ours, because usually I don't do the same.
I just find someone else to interact with.
By all means keep doing it though, it's an endless source of amusement for me.
Having someone I have hardly ever interacted with despise me and pass judgements about my character due to presumptions made only based on a tag is quite hilarious.
Oh honey, bless your heart...
You presume to presume that I presume among other presumptions.
Also, my activity in all my factions is just fine, but thanks for your concern
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - teschy - 04-26-2019
(04-26-2019, 12:44 PM)Vexykin Wrote: My 2 cents:
I have seen ganking from both sides really. Both equal to blame, but I wouldn't use the word blame really, as "ganking" is just part of this game.
If anything can be done, though only suggestive as it is, it's growing mutual respect between the factions and trying to balance things out, and make the game enjoyable for both sides, so that both sides enjoy upcoming fights, and actually look forward to interactions, be it PvP focused or RP focused. So it's up to both of your groups to talk things through, rather than having this dissected here.
While so called "ganking" is part of the game mechanics such as Solaris GBs piling on snubcrafts are considered ganking to some, but in reality they have the tactical advantage using the equipment and shipclasses to their advantage, while properly fit bombers and other shipclasses negate the Solaris GBs etc. so it all comes down to tactics and coordination in the end of the day.
These game mechanics you speak of have been designed by and for people who were hopeless in fighters. Solaris/Missile boats have always been cancer. Caps should only counter caps. Freelancer is a dogfighting game and was never balanced around these sort of interactions, and right now fighters are almost at the bottom of the food chain.
There is also something called disproportionate use of force. Calling it a tactical advantage doesn't change the fact that this is a game. A game that people play for fun, and it's no fun when a gunboat jumps in a perfectly balanced fight. Do you really think you're some tactical genius for bringing a ship that can only be countered by at least 2 or more enemies?
Also, before you talk about respect maybe you should look into the actions of your own faction, because haven't seen any from them in this regard.
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - Enkidu - 04-26-2019
I'll up UN's activity in the coming month, recruit actively, connn-train everyone, and see if that evens encounters, and then throw every man, woman, and dog at them.
More data is required here if it's simply an unintended artefact of RHA's pvp-vet playerbase or if there is an a systemic issue beyond that.
It seems currently satisfactory encounters are rare even when everyone possible is being logged in.
Try discord co-ordinating. Wesker is high-good at PVP but he doesn't target call all that well. He does get everyone in voice together, though. Get everyone in voice with someone like Durandal calling and you'd do alright. Conn train. Don't Yolo RHA - use fields and rocks. Learn when to mine. Use ships appropriate to the situation. Raid RHA. Raid the Hessians.
There's wiggle room to beat RHAng and you' at their own game, it just requires team work and time commitment. Plus less expendable coalition backing the charging bull.
Hessians are not special and Disco spends a lot of time regalling a group that is not anymore important than any other. They've just perfected a certain way of making the PVP mechanics work for them. Find something better and spring it at them. Do this collectively.
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - Vexykin - 04-26-2019
(04-26-2019, 03:36 PM)teschy Wrote:(04-26-2019, 12:44 PM)Vexykin Wrote: My 2 cents:
I have seen ganking from both sides really. Both equal to blame, but I wouldn't use the word blame really, as "ganking" is just part of this game.
If anything can be done, though only suggestive as it is, it's growing mutual respect between the factions and trying to balance things out, and make the game enjoyable for both sides, so that both sides enjoy upcoming fights, and actually look forward to interactions, be it PvP focused or RP focused. So it's up to both of your groups to talk things through, rather than having this dissected here.
While so called "ganking" is part of the game mechanics such as Solaris GBs piling on snubcrafts are considered ganking to some, but in reality they have the tactical advantage using the equipment and shipclasses to their advantage, while properly fit bombers and other shipclasses negate the Solaris GBs etc. so it all comes down to tactics and coordination in the end of the day.
These game mechanics you speak of have been designed by and for people who were hopeless in fighters. Solaris/Missile boats have always been cancer. Caps should only counter caps. Freelancer is a dogfighting game and was never balanced around these sort of interactions, and right now fighters are almost at the bottom of the food chain.
There is also something called disproportionate use of force. Calling it a tactical advantage doesn't change the fact that this is a game. A game that people play for fun, and it's no fun when a gunboat jumps in a perfectly balanced fight. Do you really think you're some tactical genius for bringing a ship that can only be countered by at least 2 or more enemies?
Also, before you talk about respect maybe you should look into the actions of your own faction, because haven't seen any from them in this regard.
VHFs are perfectly capable of evading Solarises from GBs, as they lack efficient range. I as an average PvPer in snubcrafts don't see cancerous problems in them, as it's a matter of countering shipclasses, equipment and skill.
Piling a GB in a balanced fight is another topic and goes along with my second paragraph where I explain things like respect and fairplay. What I have posted is just an understanding, not that I approve of ganking.
All I tried to say, that there are tools to counter every other shipclass, and it's called tactical thinking, that requires intelligence, and reconnaissance and coordination it's very effective in group fights, and no, I'm not a tactical genius, it's just logical thinking over our game assets.
Quote:Also, before you talk about respect maybe you should look into the actions of your own faction, because haven't seen any from them in this regard.
We have a feedback thread, why don't you address your concerns there? I have no idea what you are talking about, and you are sucking things to say from a pen with baseless accusations.
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - Enkidu - 04-26-2019
maybe it'd just be good for the community at large to see the Hessians get raided a bit. Doesn't have to be successful. Just huge, active attempts to counterswing. Channel that irritation productively, get better at PVP in the process.
RE: "Ganking" Complaints (OORP) - teschy - 04-26-2019
(04-26-2019, 12:44 PM)Vexykin Wrote: We have a feedback thread, why don't you address your concerns there? I have no idea what you are talking about, and you are sucking things to say from a pen with baseless accusations.
The fact that you immediately jump the gun to disregard what I said when you clearly have no idea what I'm referring to shows that posting in your feedback thread will be pointless.