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RE: Faction Officialdom - Grapefruit Haze - 02-10-2020
3 months is too much.
RE: Faction Officialdom - AwakenIron - 02-10-2020
There's absolutely no point to creating a bureaucratic barrier such as this, unless you intend to erase factions completely. I guarantee that this kind of measure will kill factions faster than the current inactivity rate. There's nothing worse than to tell active, eager and willing players that they have to wait three months to half a year to see returns on their In-Character actions, activity and content creation.
This will kill new factions, while not making already existing official factions any more active. Mark my words.
You're still in time to reverse this monumental mistake. I recommend you do.
RE: Faction Officialdom - Hokan - 02-10-2020
I spoke to Ramke yesterday, and today. And in the conversation as well as looking at this thread, few things became apparent:
1. This change is dislike by the majority,
2. This change was implemented without prior warning, as with many changes,
3. This change to the rule is because of the unstated official reason "to allow factions to mature into what they realistically will be long-term before applying for officialdom" which wasn't previously there nor is it stated at the moment. Along with it being a subjective theme, and not what the creation of said factions aims and objectives are,
4. The majority of the decisions makers for redress care little for reasonableness and instead will shaft you because, "people were against it since it'll basically end up with everyone asking for the same thing if we do exceptions now". - - This is because I asked if I could change an activity tracker request into a Officialdom request, because of Point 2. And we fit all the criteria to do so, but we did not out of prudence. To reiterate, we're getting shafted because we wanted to not start officialdom about a week after posting our info page. Which is what GCA did. (No offense brah)
5. It is better to abuse whatever you can where-ever you can do it, because you will otherwise get shafted without warning by the admins.
![[Image: ff7be5b132fadf67a0ab67f267780f26.png]](https://gyazo.com/ff7be5b132fadf67a0ab67f267780f26.png)
In the conversation prior, and after. I used the term shaft often, which is why this:
![[Image: 7b07846c13af2f418c451e15690649d5.png]](https://i.gyazo.com/7b07846c13af2f418c451e15690649d5.png)
6. Ramke knows I am posting this xd
![[Image: 4f8623678181d60cdf20eb92159e826d.png]](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/661030723179905085/676530488273534977/4f8623678181d60cdf20eb92159e826d.png)
RE: Faction Officialdom - Lythrilux - 02-10-2020
Is this another change put forward by the Dev team but presented in a way where the GM team will get all the flack?
RE: Faction Officialdom - Spectre - 02-10-2020
(02-10-2020, 06:22 PM)Burning Wrote: This change makes no sense. What makes a faction "be around"? Let's say I want to make a faction. I make a forum post that has the faction concept in it, make one ship that has the tag in its name and let it sit untouched for 3 months. Technically, the faction "has been around" for 3 months now, allowing me to apply for officialdom.
I see why the request cooldown is there, but the initial wait time to apply for officialdom needs to be removed again. 500 Million Credits is enough of a barrier to discourage trolls and generally low-quality factions from applying. In addition, the wait time until the faction finally gains officialdom is long enough.
As others have pointed out before, the times of 128/128 players are gone. The demograph of players interested in Freelancer/Discovery becomes older and more busy with life. Artificial """motivations""" to play make the game feel like work and do the exact opposite of what you think it does. It makes players lose all interest in playing.
+1
RE: Faction Officialdom - Hokan - 02-11-2020
(02-10-2020, 10:06 PM)Spectre Wrote:(02-10-2020, 06:22 PM)Burning Wrote: This change makes no sense. What makes a faction "be around"? Let's say I want to make a faction. I make a forum post that has the faction concept in it, make one ship that has the tag in its name and let it sit untouched for 3 months. Technically, the faction "has been around" for 3 months now, allowing me to apply for officialdom.
I see why the request cooldown is there, but the initial wait time to apply for officialdom needs to be removed again. 500 Million Credits is enough of a barrier to discourage trolls and generally low-quality factions from applying. In addition, the wait time until the faction finally gains officialdom is long enough.
As others have pointed out before, the times of 128/128 players are gone. The demograph of players interested in Freelancer/Discovery becomes older and more busy with life. Artificial """motivations""" to play make the game feel like work and do the exact opposite of what you think it does. It makes players lose all interest in playing.
+1
+2
RE: Faction Officialdom - Wildkins - 02-11-2020
daily reminder it now takes six months to make an official faction at the bare minimum but it only takes one forum post to get an SRP approved
RE: Faction Officialdom - LaWey - 02-11-2020
Make one month prior request, two month for processing. Six month is something out of ass. I doubt that many people can even plan/manage their free time on this long span.
RE: Faction Officialdom - Hokan - 02-11-2020
Doubt they will reaccess the situation now, if they do it will mean they've made a mistake and for future reference it means they actually have to do more.
People will probably abandon Disco for aftermath,
And I wouldn't blame them. They just keep stacking up the reasons not to put effort in.
RE: Faction Officialdom - Shiki - 02-11-2020
You need 6 months to lose officialdom too. So it's somewhat balanced now in a way.