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Capital Ship Point Defense - stewcool - 03-15-2009
Tenacity , Calm down dude don't want to get in trouble.
I know your carrier is obnoxious but cool it a bit.
(I down graded from a battleship. I feel like a new player now)
Capital Ship Point Defense - Camtheman Of Freelancer4Ever - 03-15-2009
Thats the price you pay for being an indie.
Thats the best you can come up with?
Im an indy! SO I DONT GET AS GOOD AS PROTECTION AS YOU FACTION TYPES!!!
Capital Ship Point Defense - Muleo - 03-15-2009
' Wrote:Im an indy! SO I DONT GET AS GOOD AS PROTECTION AS YOU FACTION TYPES!!!What is a faction? A group of people who band together officially, so they can enjoy each other's protection and teamwork. Does that not make sense to you?;)
Capital Ship Point Defense - Camtheman Of Freelancer4Ever - 03-15-2009
It does, but that doesnt mean indies should not have point defense that doesnt completely and utterly suck.
Well, not just indies, EVERYONE in a BS + cruiser should not constantly have to have an escort to fend off npc fighters.
Capital Ship Point Defense - Tenacity - 03-15-2009
' Wrote:What is a faction? A group of people who band together officially, so they can enjoy each other's protection and teamwork. Does that not make sense to you?;)
No, a faction is an affiliation in-game, which is comprised of any players using that specific tag and ID.
Official factions are losers that dished out half a million credits just to point at a tag and say "yep, it's shiny", and then another half million just to point at a system and say "that's mine, even though i cant actually do anything to keep you out of there".
Capital Ship Point Defense - McNeo - 03-15-2009
' Wrote:Oh, hey, interesting fact, I fly a ****ing CARRIER, where the hell are the dozens of fighters I should be launching every time a fight starts?
There have to be changes made in favor of balance over RP.
When you can RP your way out of npcs attacking you, then come talk to me, smartass.
Quite the angry one, arent you? I still seem to remember people being sanctioned for blanking out swear words on the server, and this is the second time I remind you not to do it here.
There have to be changes made in favour of balance over RP, yes. So, if we balance battleships so they can take on fighters, bombers, gunboats, cruisers and battlecruisers, then what should we fly to counter them? Other battleships, of course. Then, you have a server full of battleships.
Right now, the battleship is the counter for the gunboat, the cruiser and the battlecruiser. You think it should counter bombers and fighters too, I take it?
Capital Ship Point Defense - Camtheman Of Freelancer4Ever - 03-15-2009
No, It should be able to DEFEND itself in EVERYDAY situiations.
Capital Ship Point Defense - Tenacity - 03-15-2009
*snipped*
Uh huh. -DL
Quote:There have to be changes made in favour of balance over RP, yes. So, if we balance battleships so they can take on fighters, bombers, gunboats, cruisers and battlecruisers, then what should we fly to counter them? Other battleships, of course. Then, you have a server full of battleships.
Bombers are the counter to battleships, as are groups of other caps. However, bombers need to learn to keep their distance, so caps actually have a chance at dodging incoming fire. Hence, the need to move solaris turrets up to 1500 range and make them do some decent levels of damage.
Any bomber stupid enough to within 1k needs to pop.
Quote:Right now, the battleship is the counter for the gunboat, the cruiser and the battlecruiser. You think it should counter bombers and fighters too, I take it?
That's fine, but the bomber, being balanced against battleships like this - has become overpowered against crusiers and battlecruisers, neither of which have flak cannons or decent razor speeds to defend themselves.
Capital Ship Point Defense - Dusty Lens - 03-15-2009
' Wrote:Thats the price you pay for being an indie.
Thats the best you can come up with?
Im an indy! SO I DONT GET AS GOOD AS PROTECTION AS YOU FACTION TYPES!!!
You know what's funny? When flying as an "indie" I just call in my friends if I need escorts.
Friends are cool.
Capital Ship Point Defense - McNeo - 03-15-2009
' Wrote:*snipped*
Uh huh. -DL
Thanks Dusty.
I dont know why official factions are, as you say, "losers" because they can survive and you cant. I mean, lets be honest, things happen quicker, more efficiently and sometimes with better quality when there are more people working on a task. Increasing returns to scale applies in a battle as well as in economics, you know. Well, up to a certain point, then any more people on your side makes the organisation deteriorate.
However, I do agree with the opinion that the solaris turrets need some serious tweaking to be a real option for capital ship pilots. I'd much rather stick with secondaries for anti-bomber tasks right now, as Im sure everyone else would too.
I also somewhat agree with the opinion that bombers are perhaps too effective against cruisers and battlecruisers, but I do not believe that there is an easy solution to keep bombers effective against battleships while reducing their effectiveness against cruisers and battlecruisers.