(11-12-2023, 07:47 AM)Czechmate Wrote: Hey you there quiet, stop using my words against me by reposting by hem without change! My point is missiles are fun and cool and good and balanced and team did a fantastic job and they are the saving grace of the slow big caps, don't stop the fun! Don't like missiles? Who's stopping ya fam, just get missiles too? It's not like we have pay to win code missiles, everyone can get em! It's just the new meta is all

Version 5.0 "Incoming Missile" is here and I love it

(11-12-2023, 08:21 AM)Levenna Wrote: Edit:
With relation to countering missiles in a cruiser v cruiser (which I think is valid enough to be worried about, it happens outside conn pretty frequently), I have carefully constructed an advanced diagram. Tl;dr, missiles don't turn good close in, so you just get close and the missile can't really do much.

(11-12-2023, 08:37 AM)Levenna Wrote: I mean, I'm not sure there's a way to satisfy your issue of just being outnumbered beyond skill to be honest. If you start balancing weapons for uneven odds, all that'll mean is that the weapons or mechanics designed to help you even the odds are just going to be used against you in greater numbers and be an even greater curbstomp.

(11-12-2023, 08:50 AM)Schxer Wrote: I'm not sure you understand the issue here. Why don't you consider the experiences of people before the patch? The kiting side, which is obviously because of lower numbers, even while having a disadvantage could deal with it through skillful plays. Sure we didn't win them all but we could at least reduce their numbers before falling to zero ourselves. However, you can now say goodbye to your skills because every ship launching missiles at you while also using the guns, and high fire rate guns at that plus the new close ranges for all weapons, how much can you dodge? Do you get an opening to return fire among all that? Do you even have powercore left after using the secondaries and flaks for the missiles? Oh wait more missiles are incoming.
Also, let's not forget the slowed cap movement and the 'drifting' so you can turn but you'll keep moving in the same direction for a few seconds. I don't have to tell you it makes all the difference with strafing out of the window since you can do that once every 15 seconds or so now.

(11-12-2023, 09:06 AM)Max Morse Wrote: ...

(11-12-2023, 09:09 AM)Levenna Wrote: I'll put it to you this way, if trying to match your opponent pound-for-pound isn't working so well, why not try something else? Gunboats, for instance, are *exceptionally* good at pulling opposing enemies apart, I've had moments where I'll harass 2 or 3 battlecruisers that will split off and chase me but can't rejoin the wider fight since I can just CD them if they disengage while dodging a lot of their fire. Kiting, as you correctly observe, is kind of just decidedly *not good* in the current meta, be it in duels or in fleets, so don't kite, find a way to fight upfront but on your own terms.

I'd direct you towards this fight between LN and outcasts as an example. A few gunboats and bombers (and I think one cruiser) took out a relatively equal sized force of cruisers and battlecruisers by remaining flexible with their targeting, but remaining relatively coordinated and not getting isolated, while picking on targets that isolated themselves. In your guys' case, this may end up taking the form of using bombers, gunboats and cruisers to punch above your weight when you're outnumbered.

Failing this, you could also honestly just reach out to your opponents to try and figure out more fair fights, It's not fun to get curbstomped again and again facing 1.5x your number.

(11-12-2023, 09:20 AM)Schxer Wrote: Right so as you said, just bring smaller ships if you want to fight fleet battles against higher numbers as you just can't kite in the current meta. That's what I was trying to explain. The side at disadvantage receives even more nerfs so that even your skill can't slightly make up for it. Switch to smaller ships or kite and lose.