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Xeno alliance with the Corsairs? - eyvind - 05-09-2009
I don't know the diplomatic intricacies of neither the Xenos nor most of the potential allies thereof. Nonetheless I will give my views on the subject of Xeno diplomacy; take them for what they are.
During my time as a DSE freight hauler and miner I have come across several Xeno (is that the proper plural?), and most of them can be put in one of two categories: those that appreciate the workplaces supplied by DSE in Liberty and those with disdain for our foreign relations. Incidentally, Xeno Alliance members tend to be in the former and independents in the latter. That is not to say, of course, that there are no gray areas. There are those that with varying depth weigh the benefits DSE brings to Liberty (or Libertonians, or working-class Libertonians) with the detriments. There is grayness everywhere, and I am relatively unbiased in regard to individual graynesses.
The one type of grayness I care little for, however, is the grayness that for one reason or another leads to violence without complete support in the way of talk. Some Xeno tend to validate their terrorism with stock ideology, for instance, but cannot press it without exiting the discussion in a lazy manner (starting to shoot or "enough of this babble" or both, for example). When I -- as DSE or LH -- encounter Xenos, I look forward to interesting and enjoyable role-play; in fact, it's the Xeno encounters I look forward to more than any other.
The Xeno ideology-base is very broad, but in my opinion any sub-set or interpretation is perfectly acceptable as long as it's backed up well. Dissagreements on such matters can just as easily be in-character as they can be out-of-character, perhaps more so -- in a general sense -- than with any other faction.
Xeno alliance with the Corsairs? - Rudo - 05-09-2009
' Wrote:The one type of grayness I care little for, however, is the grayness that for one reason or another leads to violence without complete support in the way of talk. Some Xeno tend to validate their terrorism with stock ideology, for instance, but cannot press it without exiting the discussion in a lazy manner (starting to shoot or "enough of this babble" or both, for example).
Xeno-Junker Roleplay:
Xeno: You're a slaver! You smuggle drugs!
Junker: We put people to work. Come get a CSV, we pay good cash for salvage. Bring your friends, there's opportunity here.
Xeno: ...you smuggle drugs! You're a slaver!
Junker: Didn't you guys want in on the trade too? Isn't that the whole reason you're fighting us?
Xeno: DIE! (and/or) Yeehaw!
Xeno starts shooting.
Disclaimer: This is a broad generalization intended to paint over my own flaws in roleplaying with Xenos and incite a flame war. :P
Junker: We put people to work. Come get a CSV, we pay good cash for salvage. Bring your friends, there's opportunity here.
Xeno: ...you smuggle drugs! You're a slaver!
Junker: Didn't you guys want in on the trade too? Isn't that the whole reason you're fighting us?
Xeno: DIE! (and/or) Yeehaw!
Xeno starts shooting.
Xeno alliance with the Corsairs? - Spear - 05-09-2009
' Wrote:Xeno-Junker Roleplay:
Xeno: You're a slaver! You smuggle drugs!Disclaimer: This is a broad generalization intended to paint over my own flaws in roleplaying with Xenos and incite a flame war. :P
Junker: We put people to work. Come get a CSV, we pay good cash for salvage. Bring your friends, there's opportunity here.
Xeno: ...you smuggle drugs! You're a slaver!
Junker: Didn't you guys want in on the trade too? Isn't that the whole reason you're fighting us?
Xeno: DIE! (and/or) Yeehaw!
Xeno starts shooting.
Die!
Xeno alliance with the Corsairs? - JakeSG - 05-09-2009
If the Xeno were to ally with somebody from outside of Liberty, it'd make more sense for one of the Rheinland factions/SCRA, war or not. They have similar views on their government and have the people in mind. Corsairs are warmongering Hispanian fools who'd want to take over Liberty themselves.
That said, there isn't really any faction that it would make sense for the Xeno to ally. All they can do is get the little help they can from the Zoners/US and other sympathisers, and shy away from aggrivating the law, even though most of the Xeno Indies seem to think they exist for the complete destruction of Liberty forces.
Xeno alliance with the Corsairs? - Laowai - 05-09-2009
Gotta agree with the things Dusty has said earlier on.
Xeno players, especially those in the XA take the idea of a Xeno and role play it in a pretty diverse way - i really think the idea that Xenos are all racist rednecks is a vast oversimplification.
While some players do play the "simple redneck" role, many don't - my Xeno is anything but a redneck, or simple for that matter - and i think that in terms of what Xeno's are trying to do race, as we know it has very little to do with it. The Xeno's goals are primarily idealistic and political - they are in many ways ultra-nationalists, but as has been said their resentment of "foreigners" comes down do a belief that their influence is somehow undermining Liberty itself and taking away the livelihoods of its people.
While the idea of race can easily be woven into this idea - it's not inherently part of it.
My own Xeno to make a case (and maybe its just my own Role play but it indicates that our friendly Xenos are a lot more complicated than people make out) - has no particular "racism" as such, he doesn't prefer one race over another - but he does resent the influence of foreign powers, and he believes that they have "taken" something from his country - he is however completely open to the idea of inciting simple hatreds to get what he wants.... he is more an opportunist - less a racist, however if one helps him facilitate the other - then so be it.
While i think the idea of an alliance between Xenos and Corsairs would open up a whole can of worms in terms of - as someone said earlier - corsairs showing up in Liberty looking for a fight. I do think the idea has some merit - such an "alliance" makes sense to me from the philosophies of both - particularly the Xenos who are the more conniving and opportunistic. From their point of view, this alliance would never be made public - you wouldn't see Corsair ships appearing in Liberty - but you might see Corsair smugglers dropping artifacts off at bases other than Junker ones - where those same artifacts could be easily monitored by the Order - who already have a working relationship with the Xenos anyway.
If the Artifact trade became split between the Junkers and Xenos, you would see a major loss of finance for the Junkers - something the Xenos would have no problem with. As i see it, the Xenos would feel they were using the Corsairs as a means to an end - with no hesitation about dumping them after they have got what they needed from it. And from a Xeno point of view - there are a lot of useful things that could be gained from covert cooperation with the Corsairs... not the least are some shiny Tizona Del Cids....
From the Corsair point of view, the same is true - they couldn't give a toss about the Xenos or their goals, but they are no lovers of Liberty - in RP now you get LSF agents showing up in Delta and Omicron Minor - which, with all due respect to the Order - the Corsairs consider their backyard. The liberty Authorities are the same irritating lot who intercept Corsair artifact shipments in what is the most profitable sale point for the product. Opening up a second dealer for artifacts in Liberty makes perfect sense from a Corsair point of view, and having them fenced by a terrorist group that openly defies the liberty government (with guns!) sows a little bit of discord, keeps the liberty authorities on the back-foot and turns attention away from their other dealer; the Junkers (whom the Corsairs are not overly fond of generally but tolerate as a necessary evil) - and ensures that no matter what the authorities do in Liberty, the stuff will get out there, it will be sold. The Corsairs would stand to make a killing.
Corsairs are, as has been said - expansionist, they are looking to increase their power and influence and this would most certainly do that. Corsair arms and equipment in Xeno hands would be quite readily turned on the Liberty government but more to the point they would also be used against the Outcasts and their allies - something that would bring a smile to many a Corsair Elder - (why fight when you can get someone else to do it for you?).
I don't think this alliance could ever be "formal" or public - but the idea of it does open up some interesting RP opportunities and isn't as far fetched as some people seem to be thinking.
Xeno alliance with the Corsairs? - Dusty Lens - 05-09-2009
' Wrote:Xeno-Junker Roleplay:
Xeno: You're a slaver! You smuggle drugs!Disclaimer: This is a broad generalization intended to paint over my own flaws in roleplaying with Xenos and incite a flame war. :P
Junker: We put people to work. Come get a CSV, we pay good cash for salvage. Bring your friends, there's opportunity here.
Xeno: ...you smuggle drugs! You're a slaver!
Junker: Didn't you guys want in on the trade too? Isn't that the whole reason you're fighting us?
Xeno: DIE! (and/or) Yeehaw!
Xeno starts shooting.
*grins* Just so you don't get the last word.
Xeno: Think you're shuttling the LPI's prison factory goods to supply those filching Brets? Not on my watch.
Junker: IM NEUTRAL
Xeno: Drop the cargo, all of it, or I drop you
Junker: STOP IM NEUTRAL
Xeno: This is your last chance, attempt to flee again and down you go
Junker: STOP
Junker: STOP
Junker: STOP
Junker: IM NEUTRAL STOP
Junker: *exploded*
Disclaimer: This is a broad generalization intended to paint over my own flaws in roleplaying with Junkers and incite a flame war. :P
Junker: IM NEUTRAL
Xeno: Drop the cargo, all of it, or I drop you
Junker: STOP IM NEUTRAL
Xeno: This is your last chance, attempt to flee again and down you go
Junker: STOP
Junker: STOP
Junker: STOP
Junker: IM NEUTRAL STOP
Junker: *exploded*
Disclaimer: This is a broad generalization intended to paint over my own flaws in roleplaying with Junkers and incite a flame war. :P
*coughs*
Xeno alliance with the Corsairs? - Carlos_Benitez - 05-09-2009
Firstly, the Corsairs want to expand their empire mainly to make their population sutstainable and improve living conditions. Piracy is their way of life, and they are intensely envious of the houses for the natural resources they posess. The Corsairs therefore have little interest in the politics of the houses; capitalism, socialism, fascism and communism are all irrelivent, and so they're not particularly interested in supporting any particular ideological movement in any house.
However, if the Corsairs are to ever win a paradise like Cambridge, Stutgart or Los Angeles, they need to encourage chaos. Xenos are as chaotic as it gets.
The Corsairs are fairly rich in comparison to most criminal groups and so are able to fund certain chaotic elements in house space.
The Xenos want foreign workers out of Liberty. The Corsairs couldn't care less about such aims, but the Xenos would never say no to the offer of funding from an outside force they don't consider as a threat to their aims.
The Corsairs get a fair chunk of their income from the Artefact trade, but things are getting tough for the trade due to both lawfuls and unlawfuls in Liberty.
Any "alliance" would not involve shared interests or ideology. It would simply be an opportunistic union for mutual benefit. The Corsairs would contribute funding (but probably not technology) and the Xenos would commit to look after the Smugglers in Liberty.
I doubt an official alliance between the Corsairs and Xenos would be useful or appropreate, but establishment of RP declaring Xenos as "pro Artefacts" and rumors of them recieving funding from the trade/Corsairs would be.
The arrangement could be done entierly through middle-men, agents of the Corsairs such as most Artefact smugglers. If this was the case, even the most racist of Xenos would not feel uncomfortable about recieving funding in exchange for looking after the trade.
Protection of the Artefact trade would increase income for the Corsairs.
Funding from the Corsairs would increase income for the Xenos.
Increased income for the Xenos would mean more ships, pilots and resources for the Xenos, so more chaos in Liberty and more trouble for the Outcasts and their allies.
More trouble for the Outcasts and allies would assist the Corsair effort to achieve their own aims.
Xeno alliance with the Corsairs? - Dusty Lens - 05-09-2009
My biggest gripe with artifacts would come from that they're a rich man's toy. That's about it. One ships them, they go into a case, people make conversation around them while sipping Manhattans and eyeballing one another's wives.
I'm not sure that's a market in which the Xenos have their fingers, bombs maybe, but not fingers.
Now if the Corsairs just showed up one day with a couple transports full of black market munitions and said "here you go!" then that might lead to some wild times.
All speculation.
Xeno alliance with the Corsairs? - Othman - 05-09-2009
The Order aiding Xenos for organized crime in Liberty with their usual shady ways would sound much more reasonable in my opinion.
Xeno alliance with the Corsairs? - Grog - 05-10-2009
again, it makes zero sense:
Xeno's "'dey took our jobs" are supposed to want *more* foreign goods in Liberty ?
Corsairs want another House enemy? (Liberty's neutral to them). Price for AA on Crete says that they aren't desperate, either.