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What do YOU think of these new bomber weapons? - Dusty Lens - 10-08-2009
Well, from a few combat runs over the last few days I've observed the following.
A) I can perform rather fun stunts of wtfpwn on battleship shields. Like, it makes me giggle because it's fun how fast I drop them.
B) I can do the same against cruisers.
C) Transports LOL. I mean, yeah. This is just funny now. Ran into a Shire and I clapped my hands, her shields were down before the captain could finish browning his trousers. Those buggered transport turrets are a right beast however.
D) Gunboats are problematic for me now. They were before, but now they're a little more troublesome. Still, if I've got a mate who's a good shot can always just fall back on using snacs due to having a beast of a time tracking 160 thrust rogue baseball bats with my silly slow pew pews.
E) Fighters are an issue, but the damage output of my debs are so high that I can still deshield a fighter with a few lucky hits. Since my old setups were always 100% pulse based I don't feel like I was really put off too much by this change in fighter to fighter combat. I'm sure that persons who are far superior pilots to me will laugh off my deb streams, but players who are superior (or equal, for that matter) to me skill wise are unlikely to eat one of my snac shots anyways as I'm a rather poor pilot with rather poor aim.
So, in short.
I'm not sure what the point of the bomber gun change was, but I don't think the intended goal was to make bombers more effective against heavy caps while somewhat weaker against gunboats yet moderately weaker to unchanged against fighters.
But at least I'm not spamming missiles anymore.
Oh by the way the changing the snac/nova torp to a weapon slot which didn't allow the mini/inferno/etc was my idea so feel free to spit on me for that WOOOO.
What do YOU think of these new bomber weapons? - looqas - 10-08-2009
After a bit of sampling in 3 different bombers (got into a fight with my BH and Roc ones too) I have to say that energy management is the key to victory. Also aim. I make a difference between SNAC aim and regular guns. It's the regular gun like aim that I need to sharpen.
I like the BH bomber better (as well as Thor). With 3xEMP + 2xCannon you are not losing as much as with with 2xEMP, 2xCannon combo. With the 3xEMP+2xCannon the weapon groups are much more meaningful and you can down the shields quite comfortably even of the bigger targets. Where as if you are in 2x and 2x craft you wish for the extra EMP even when fighting fighters or other bombers. And if you turn on all guns it's a waste of energy leaving me dry for SNAC time.
So all the bombers with 5 gun slots (be they turrets or guns) are IMO in much more better position than the 4 gun ones. In those 5 forward slotters the gun groups make sense, while in 4 forward slotters it's questionable to go with a mixed loadout.
Is anyone flying full Cannon loadouts? I see the energy drain is less per second but it ain't that bad in shield busting capability. And it's a viable way too since a lot of people use SNAC for shield work too with bigger targets. At some spots where you are under fire taking a SNAC potshot at the target is very viable strategy.
That's my observation so far. But the key is the aim of course.
And thank the devs for making the turret speeds match the main guns. Otherwise it would have been pretty useless with these weapon speeds.
What do YOU think of these new bomber weapons? - Blaze - 10-08-2009
I have to sell all the codies I have to try out my 4 bombers as all of the are full of codes I will mount all Energy cannon load out because they do a LOT of hull damage and respectable amount of shield damage.
What do YOU think of these new bomber weapons? - Aoyagi - 10-08-2009
' Wrote:(...)
D) Gunboats are problematic for me now. They were before, but now they're a little more troublesome. Still, if I've got a mate who's a good shot can always just fall back on using snacs due to having a beast of a time tracking 160 thrust rogue baseball bats with my silly slow pew pews.
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I'm sure that persons who are far superior pilots to me will laugh off my deb streams, but players who are superior (or equal, for that matter) to me skill wise are unlikely to eat one of my snac shots anyways as I'm a rather poor pilot with rather poor aim.
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Oh by the way the changing the snac/nova torp to a weapon slot which didn't allow the mini/inferno/etc was my idea so feel free to spit on me for that WOOOO.
I HATEH JOO! ... No, I don't really care about razor. It's not a bomber kind of gun anyway.
About those gunboats, I find it easier to kill one. And I must say that I am surely poorer pilot then yourself. Resistance is futile.
' Wrote:So all the bombers with 5 gun slots (be they turrets or guns) are IMO in much more better position than the 4 gun ones. In those 5 forward slotters the gun groups make sense, while in 4 forward slotters it's questionable to go with a mixed loadout.
I thought that BH bomber is the only one with 5 forward firing guns/turrets. Did they lie to me? Was I fooled? Can I live with that? Who is Marry Ann?
What do YOU think of these new bomber weapons? - n1kodemus - 10-08-2009
I like the new changes a lot, except the bugs, but those can be fixed in due time.
What do YOU think of these new bomber weapons? - ... kur nubėgo? - 10-08-2009
These guns made bombers deadlier to heavy gunbaots and up, and agianst pvp noobs jousting bombers with fighters.
I dont know, I prefer to have the old bomber ability to mount fighter guns. But, whatever.
What do YOU think of these new bomber weapons? - looqas - 10-08-2009
' Wrote:I HATEH JOO! ... No, I don't really care about razor. It's not a bomber kind of gun anyway.
About those gunboats, I find it easier to kill one. And I must say that I am surely poorer pilot then yourself. Resistance is futile.
I thought that BH bomber is the only one with 5 forward firing guns/turrets. Did they lie to me? Was I fooled? Can I live with that? Who is Marry Ann?
At least Thor has a forward facing TURRET, so it's 5 guns shooting forward.
BH bombah is the only one with 5 gun slots and one useless backward facing turret.
I don't know if there are other bombers that can have 5 guns/turrets shooting forward.
What do YOU think of these new bomber weapons? - Berny - 10-08-2009
' Wrote:These guns made bombers deadlier to heavy gunbaots and up, and agianst pvp noobs jousting bombers with fighters.Well, against big ship it has more power, but if you meat o a normal fighter, that trys not to joust the bomber - you're in serious problem - you may have a chance to nuke shield and snac hull, or catch him feeling easy and joust for the few times - you'll have to use only chance to kill him in 1 joust.
I dont know, I prefer to have the old bomber ability to mount fighter guns. But, whatever.
But all in all, this actualy turns bombers into bombers, rather then Super heavy fighters - tanks that crush everything in their way if has an expert pilot. Anyhow, heavy bombers like waran can still mount regular fighter weapons. Also, you can get deep space explorer and super heavy fighters into the battle field with regular normal project speed debilators/tizonas and a snac. The problem is - those are huge, almost like GS, and much easier to hit and kill in time, no matter their better hull and fire power.
What do YOU think of these new bomber weapons? - Aoyagi - 10-08-2009
' Wrote:At least Thor has a forward facing TURRET, so it's 5 guns shooting forward.
BH bombah is the only one with 5 gun slots and one useless backward facing turret.
I don't know if there are other bombers that can have 5 guns/turrets shooting forward.
Well BH bomber was always more like a fighter with SNAC for me. I hate that thing. But I've never met Thor. I'd hate it too I guess ^^
What do YOU think of these new bomber weapons? - looqas - 10-08-2009
' Wrote:Well BH bomber was always more like a fighter with SNAC for me. I hate that thing. But I've never met Thor. I'd hate it too I guess ^^
I don't know about that. I bet you'd hate running into Falcata more (or at least used to before falcata mass was buffed to 225 as in other light bombers). Thor is easier to hit than BH bomber. More or less like Roc in that regard.